Originally posted by Kid KurdySonics and fire. Usually the sonic gun reed has. Even on Venoms first appearances Spiderman needed the gun to defeat him. Also if you want to count that time when Peter tricked the symbiote into leaving Brock and returning to him.
Could you please explain to me what kind of plot device you are talking about ?Unless you consider "kicks and punches" as plot devices.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You want to compare Spider-Mans high end feats with Venom high end feats ? I wouldn't do that if I were you.For example : he TRIED to beat Juggernaut, but was humiliated, and was almost killed. Spider-Man beat Juggernaut.
For example : he TRIED to put up a decent fight against Hulk. Spider-Man beat the Hulk on more than one occasion.
And so on. I'd like to see him against Absorbing Man. Or the Sinister Six. Or Morlun. Or Titania. Or Firelord. Or... well you get the idea.
Venom was never humiliated by Juggernaut. Actually he was making fun of him for the whole fight till Juggs pushed him into toxins when Venom got distracted by the madness virus. In their 2 next fights Venom clearly had an upperhand.
Spider-man defeated Juggernaut because Juggs stuck in wet cement. Now that is a plot device.
Hulk had to thunderclap Venom to defeat him.
As for sinister six, Venom almost killed Sandman, Kraven and Electro. Was winning in a fight against She-Hulk. Beat Ghost Rider. Almost killed the Thing. And well, that last fight with Juggernaut...
Re: Spidey w/ Skills vs Venom
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosVenom wins, it will be like Spider-Man vs Venom except that Venom will have to work a little harder this time.
Spiderman has the fighting skill of Captain America, Batman and Daredevil downloaded into his brain.He is also granted Daredevil's radar sense in place of his Spidey sense.
Spidey gets time to train in the Xmen's Danger Room until he can use the radar sense and his skill as well as Daredevil.
So is Spidey a potential match for Eddie Brock as Venom?
He is just too durable to care about how strong Spidey is (f**ker took the double-fist in the head from Juggs and that's already a damn good shot.) And Spidey's speed and agility ain't gonna help against someone who is just as fast.
Venom has even K.O:ed Spidey with a couple of punches before and that doesn't bode very well for Pete.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom was never humiliated by Juggernaut. Actually he was making fun of him for the whole fight till Juggs pushed him into toxins when Venom got distracted by the madness virus. In their 2 next fights Venom clearly had an upper hand.
Would Juggernaut even feel Venom's punches ? That's very debatable. The only thing Venom can do, is annoy Juggernaut (same for Spider-Man of course).
You attack the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight (a second rate herald who isn't that durable in case you didn't know), but you have no problem with Venom "having the upper hand" when fighting Juggernaut 😕
Originally posted by Kid KurdyYour original statement was that Spiderman could beat Venom without a plot device but the majority of fights between them shows he needs outside help to defeat Venom.
You are trying to prove something... but I don't know what exactly... we all know Venom is badass, you don't have to convince me.
No my original statement was that Spider-Man has a lot of trouble fighting Venom because he can't use his all important spider-sense, an essential part of his way of fighting.
That's like Invisible Woman without force fields, or Daredevil without his radar sense.
Venom would still be very dangerous, but not as extremely dangerous.
And don't gimme that Scarlet crap (who beat Venom) : Spider-Man isn't Scarlet Spider, he is way more experienced and knows Venom like the back of his hand. Scarlet Spider didn't, he underestimated him.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyVenom took hits from all the symbiots in "Separation Anxiety" and wasn't koed, yet Scarlet Spider did it to Venom with an exposed face. The scarlet spider fight is also questionable.
No my original statement was that Spider-Man has a lot of trouble fighting Venom because he can't use his all important spider-sense, an essential part of his way of fighting.That's like Invisible Woman without force fields, or Daredevil without his radar sense.
Venom would still be very dangerous, but not as extremely dangerous.
And don't gimme that Scarlet crap (who beat Venom) : Spider-Man isn't Scarlet Spider, he is way more experienced and knows Venom like the back of his hand. Scarlet Spider didn't, he underestimated him.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Horrible writing. Awful.Would Juggernaut even feel Venom's punches ? That's very debatable. The only thing Venom can do, is annoy Juggernaut (same for Spider-Man of course).
You attack the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight (a second rate herald who isn't that durable in case you didn't know), but you have no problem with Venom "having the upper hand" when fighting Juggernaut 😕
Nope. Big speed advantage.
Not even Hulk's punches should effect Juggernaut. And they do not.
Hurting and sending flying with a punch are 2 different things.