Silver Surfer vs Hulk,Thor,Superman,GL

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

I can see Y U'd give him a decent shot against 2 heavy-hitters, but I gotta make 1 comment: tring to trap a GL w/in a black hole isnt *really* a garaunteed win, since we've seen far more escape them w/no problem (even rookies have closed them w/o issue) than get trapped inside of 1.

in short: I wouldnt use that as a tactic.

Tazer

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno.

Yo.

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Really?

pre-Parallax rookie-GLs have closed black holes w/nary a thought.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
it'd be hardwork, and to be honest I'm not sure he could keep them both in the blackhole but, I would imagine that Surfer would attempt to use the blackhole to crush the GL, rather than simply trap him.

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno.

nice ideas and theories, but did U forget that theres also Thor he has to contend with here??

even if U assume that the flyers have left Hulk behind, which is fine, SS is *still* gonna have a prob dealing w/3 ppl that can 1-on-1 give him a great fight. the scenario U layout above wouldnt work from wat I can see if its 3-to-1.

Tazer

lol,
I was continuing the thought about taking on 2 of the 4 rather than all 4.
see the post you replied to earlier.

Thor alone would keep Surfer tied up for ages... even if Surfer was doing some exotic offensive moves against Superman (kryptonite/Red sun radiation), he would likely be opening himself up to being tagged once or twice, with mjolnir.

I don't believe Surfer could beat all 4 of them, unless it's sequentially - and that was one of the ideas I had initially, but it's unlikely that they'll split up/give chase... they know how dangerous he is one-on-one.

Originally posted by janus77
it'd be hardwork, and to be honest I'm not sure he could keep them both in the blackhole but, I would imagine that Surfer would attempt to use the blackhole to crush the GL, rather than simply trap him.

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno.

Surfer won't have the concentration to do all these acts at once.

Most knowledgable debators give any of these guys, save Hulk, decent numbers against Surfer. The combined might of Supes, Thor and and GL certainly crush him underheel.

Originally posted by janus77
lol,
I was continuing the thought about taking on 2 of the 4 rather than all 4.
see the post you replied to earlier.

Thor alone would keep Surfer tied up for ages... even if Surfer was doing some exotic offensive moves against Superman (kryptonite/Red sun radiation), he would likely be opening himself up to being tagged once or twice, with mjolnir.

I don't believe Surfer could beat all 4 of them, unless it's sequentially - and that was one of the ideas I had initially, but it's unlikely that they'll split up/give chase... they know how dangerous he is one-on-one.

I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

Surfer's concentration will have to be good enough, can't cripple him here, he's got to be on his game to even stand a chance. could say the others don't bother concentrating much, because they have superior numbers, and make mistakes as a result... but that'd be shoddy. so best assume everyone's giving it 100%.

Superman and G/L wrap up this battle with ease while hulk and thor prepare dinner. Surfer is dead before dinner is ready

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

Surfer's concentration will have to be good enough, can't cripple him here, he's got to be on his game to even stand a chance. could say the others don't bother concentrating much, because they have superior numbers, and make mistakes as a result... but that'd be shoddy. so best assume everyone's giving it 100%.

But we're not talking about a regular rookie here - at least I doubt it's a rookie.. I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but assuming this Kyle or Hal, the most oft-used and considered GL's since they're the ones written about the most... they can do these type of feats without much consideration, and have done far more exagerated things with the ring.

Originally posted by Validus
I would get scans but I'm lazy. I can tell you Kilowog flew into a black hole to rescue some rookie GL's who were stuck there during GLC: Recharge. In the same mini series, Kyle and Guy were opening them and using them as travel aids. A black hole is nothing to the experienced Lanterns.

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

all thanx goto Astro on HC for putting these together.

example #1:

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_23_glc.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_24_glc.jpg

When a massive Black Hole threatens to destroy an entire *Space Sector* (1/3600 of the universe…), the GL of that sector dives in and seals the massive Black Hole. The effort leaves him bloodied and bruised, even near death, but he does it regardless.

example #2:

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl169_10.jpg

A rookie GL (Just that day received the ring) casually seals a BLACK HOLE.

example #3:

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/377424dc.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7686be08.jpg

Various GL’s survive being thrown through a Black Hole and out into a white hole, coming away on nearly the other side of the universe.

hope that helped

Tazer

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Well I have been hearing alot about The Silver Surfer and being almost unbeatable, so I took it apon my self to make this thread to see what people think about this match up?

feel free to say what ever!

ya your funny! and since no one wants to put hulk in this lets change him for darkseid or what ever his name is!

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

all thanx goto Astro on HC for putting these together.

example #1:

example #2:

example #3:

hope that helped

Tazer

anyway, that seems conclusive enough, the black hole won't be around long enough to damage the GL. if Surfer's going to have any chance against the lot of them (which, reasonably he wouldn't), then the GL's gotta be taken out the fight somehow.

btw, are the GLs still capable of being drained of their powers?
can the "battery" of the ring run out?

that might be one strategy that Surfer's cosmic awareness presents him with. taking Oan energies and amplifying his own with them, so that the GL is weakened and marginalised for the duration of the conflict...

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
thanks for the scans. way before my brief stint of reading GL comics I guess... all I remember is the funny baseball bats and a few other, less than serious, manifestations.

that would be due to DC-editorial still thinking only 5yo's were the main purchasers of their books.

/shrug

Originally posted by janus77
anyway, that seems conclusive enough, the black hole won't be around long enough to damage the GL. if Surfer's going to have any chance against the lot of them (which, reasonably he wouldn't), then the GL's gotta be taken out the fight somehow.

tactically, I would try to accomplish this *3rd*, right after separating Mjolnir from Thor (2nd) and simply leaving the planet w/Hulk on it behind (1st).

Originally posted by janus77
btw, are the GLs still capable of being drained of their powers?
can the "battery" of the ring run out?

that might be one strategy that Surfer's cosmic awareness presents him with. taking Oan energies and amplifying his own with them, so that the GL is weakened and marginalised for the duration of the conflict...

actually, considering the new rings that WOULD be a viable tactic to use, however U would really need the time un-molested to accomplish that feat and if Superman is still free that doesnt seem too feasable since the amount they carry, while no longer infinite, still isnt miniscule.

however I dont see SS's CA telling him "I can drain all of the GLs energies", inasmuchas I can see him simply trying to drain wat he can.

thats just IMNSHO however

Tazer

now remember Hulk as been replaced with darkseid!

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
now remember Hulk as been replaced with darkseid!

I know that lol!then whats this hull thing with superman cant beat surfer himself but he can beat darkseid?....then how about shizam or what ever for the hulk?

I think most of the Superman fans (not meant in a derogatory way), are pretty much united in the view that Superman's victories over DS are "PIS".

Personally, I'm not all that interested in Superman comics, so I won't pretend to have anything definitive to contribute to that debate.

My view is that Surfer is the more durable (his natural environment is far more physically dangerous and stressful than anything Superman would offer in terms of offence), the faster (by multiples of millions), the move versatile (the Power Cosmic allows him to manipulate almost anything in the universe and siphon off all sorts of exotic energies/drain energies, to travel in time, to reduce himself down to the microverse, he has the ability to manipulate dna, molecules etc and he can also amp himself indefinitely with ambient energies such as sunlight, stars, nebulae etc) and has ridiculously powerful range attacks both in terms of time (being able to see into the future to a limited extent) and space (being able to attack Superman from light years away).

Superman just doesn't seem to be anywhere in his league. he has a handful of extreme powers but they are all easily negated/countered or even used against him.

the heatvision would be the first to go, either deflected back on Superman, absorbed and used as energy or drained out of Superman to weaken him.

the sun-soaking cells would be compromised by Surfer's cosmic awareness, their stress points/thresholds found and exploited... maybe by way of siphoning nearby star clusters to pump gargantuan quantities of energy into them and destabilise them.

the super strength would be virtually useless as Surfer would simply phase through the blows that Superman would rain down (that is if he allowed Superman to 1) get close and 2) to 'tag' him at all).

unless Superman hits like Galactus, I doubt he's going to rock a fully committed Surfer, look at what T&A did to him. he was still fully conscious and he would have recovered from the blows (as Galactus remarks, it was the radiation from the Big Crunch inside him, that was killing him).

I see most of the advantages lined up for Surfer but, there's a lot I don't know about Superman so I'm still open to debate.