Darthgoober's Amalgam Tourney discussion thread

Started by Milky Joe172 pages

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
By the way, the tournament fights could be in partner format as is 2-on-2.
Or one person using 2 amalgamated characters which in fact may result in pretty scary combos.

But on the other hand, that complicates things sometimes.


One person with two characters seems a bit much, pairs of debators with one character each seems much better/more interesting, especially if it's a random draw for pairings AFTER the drafts are complete.

Originally posted by Milky Joe
One person with two characters seems a bit much, pairs of debators with one character each seems much better/more interesting, especially if it's a random draw for pairings AFTER the drafts are complete.

That makes things more interesting🙂 And partner tournament is better, of course, since it adds an element of unpredicability to fights.

Yeah, you could end up with two virtually identical characters on a team, two characters completely different who mesh perfectly or two different characters who pretty much cancel each other out (ie: Electro/Hydroman, though I assume Hydroman would be banned)

Electro &Hydroman are upper than low meta in terms of tiers, though they are in Spiderman's rogue gallery.
On the other hand, there're people in Low Meta tier who are more than a challenge to Spidey.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=460164&highlight=title%3A%28Mixed+genre+tier%29

Take a look there as well. Though the tier list in the beginning of the thread was incomplete and you'll find more complete version of it on pages 14-15.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
By the way, the tournament fights could be in partner format as is 2-on-2.
Or one person using 2 amalgamated characters which in fact may result in pretty scary combos.

But on the other hand, that complicates things sometimes.

If you see my initial plan for it. It will be a partner tourney and each person on the team will be able to debate one character.

That one character will consist of 2 separate characters amalgamated together.

So it will go like there will be two drafts in which everyone pick their two characters to combine then after the drafts I will random pick the teams.

So if I say picked one person...you would later pick who would be my teammate? You mean I could end with someone like Tricksterpriest?! 😠

I dont like that idea in all seriousness though.

I think it's a good idea, the random element will make it more about debating than about preparing two amalgams who fit together perfectly.

Originally posted by Newjak
If you see my initial plan for it. It will be a partner tourney and each person on the team will be able to debate one character.

That one character will consist of 2 separate characters amalgamated together.

So it will go like there will be two drafts in which everyone pick their two characters to combine then after the drafts I will random pick the teams.


How would the combination of the two characters work?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So if I say picked one person...you would later pick who would be my teammate? You mean I could end with someone like Tricksterpriest?! 😠

I don't like that idea in all seriousness though.

Yes, Yes you could.

The main reason I want to random pick teams is I want to see different people forced to debate with someone they normally wouldn't. I think it adds a whole new element to it.

Originally posted by Akuki
How would the combination of the two characters work?
You would get the best of both worlds. Meaning which ever way your two characters would intertwine best is how they would combine. Nothing accumulates though unless you are sneaky enough to integrate it.

i.e. Say you took Rhino and Thing you don't get Thing's Strength Plus Rhino's Strength. You only get one of theirs.

On the other hand if you say took Luke Cage's Body and had his Strength and took Ironfist. Well Ironfist's power can increase his physical stats so those would stack.

Did I explain that well enough?

Only if they can logically add together can you find a way to get two people's same abilities added on.

So your tournament's allowing book, video games and manga characters?

That's a shame, I was actually thinking about joining.. oh well 😬.

Originally posted by Newjak
On the other hand if you say took Luke Cage's Body and had his Strength and took Ironfist. Well Ironfist's power can increase his physical stats so those would stack.

Sure, but his Chi power wouldn't increase (unless you consider the character to have 2 life forces)

Originally posted by Citizen V
So your tournament's allowing book, video games and manga characters?

That's a shame, I was actually thinking about joining.. oh well 😬.

I don't see what the big problem is with this. Most people will take comic book characters anyway just because they are the ones you can show the most evidence on.

Also the rule will be you can only draft that character from one media.

So if you draft someone from Video Games and they had a comic you can not use their Comic Feats just Video Game feats.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Sure, but his Chi power wouldn't increase (unless you consider the character to have 2 life forces)
No I meant that Iron Fist's Chi Energy has been shown to amp his physical stats thus it could if someone could prove it amp Luke cage's physical stats.

Another example would be Ironman plus Rhino. Putting Ironman's suit on Rhino would give you both of their strength.

Originally posted by Citizen V
So your tournament's allowing book, video games and manga characters?

That's a shame, I was actually thinking about joining.. oh well 😬.

If you change your vote and get everyone else to vote for me, I will open a street level (spiderman max) comic book only tournament 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Blair Wind
If you change your vote and get everyone else to vote for me, I will open a street level (spiderman max) comic book only tournament 😖hifty:
😠

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't see what the big problem is with this. Most people will take comic book characters anyway just because they are the ones you can show the most evidence on.

Also the rule will be you can only draft that character from one media.

So if you draft someone from Video Games and they had a comic you can not use their Comic Feats just Video Game feats.

I don't think its a good idea for several reasons, the two most important IMO are below:

1)I love the random partnering, but this combined with the fact it's multimedia just doesn't mesh well with me, I would be very annoyed if I was stuck with someone who had chosen to amalgamate Noddy and Darth Maul.

2) Alot of the feats in certain other medias are hard to guage against the comic book characters, for example Ryu's hadouken in Street Fighter, how could you tell how much damage it would do against say Luke Cage just from playing the game? You couldn't.

Originally posted by Citizen V
I don't think its a good idea for several reasons, the two most important IMO are below:

1)I love the random partnering, but this combined with the fact it's multimedia just doesn't mesh well with me, I would be very annoyed if I was stuck with someone who had chosen to amalgamate Noddy and Darth Maul.

2) Alot of the feats in certain other medias are hard to guage against the comic book characters, for example Ryu's hadouken in Street Fighter, how could you tell how much damage it would do against say Luke Cage just from playing the game? You couldn't.

Ok I understand those concerns ans just let me state this

1) You could just as easily get paired with someone who chose Bane and Two-Face

2) That is perfectly true. Just remember it will always be up to the debaters to provide evidence for their claims. That is why even though I am allowing Multi-media the fact that evidence is so easy to accommodate in comics will make it the primary medium to pick. So when choosing characters from other media person has to make sure they can provide enough evidence for it.

We have enough smart people here to understand that concept.

Originally posted by Citizen V
for example Ryu's hadouken in Street Fighter, how could you tell how much damage it would do against say Luke Cage just from playing the game? You couldn't.

In SF II it would take a sh*t load of hadokens to wreck the car on the bonus level ... they also didn't work too well against the barrels.

Originally posted by Newjak
Ok I understand those concerns ans just let me state this

1) You could just as easily get paired with someone who chose Bane and Two-Face

2) That is perfectly true. Just remember it will always be up to the debaters to provide evidence for their claims. That is why even though I am allowing Multi-media the fact that evidence is so easy to accommodate in comics will make it the primary medium to pick. So when choosing characters from other media person has to make sure they can provide enough evidence for it.

We have enough smart people here to understand that concept.

1) Yes, but say for the few people that do get paired with someone from a different media, would it just be tough luck? Because I don't think thats very fair, the fact other people have two characters from the same media would give them an advantage.

2) So if your paired with Darth Maul/Noddy and the guy decides to drop out because he can't be bothered to watch through episodes of Noddy for feats, then you are left stranded? Because atleast with someone in the same media, you could just as easily get evidence for their character as your own.

😬, I totally understand what your saying, I just think a multimedia tournament wouldn't work/be very good.