Darthgoober's Amalgam Tourney discussion thread

Since it has been brought up

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well like Leo mentioned if someone posts feats of them over the caps he will be banned.

I think that's bullsh!t, if you have scans of a character being over the caps, get it out of the way in the discussion/confirmation thread ... don't sit on them in hopes of getting your opponents disqualified.

That's pretty cowardly (and a total dickhead thing to do)

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The only problem should be if someone tries to use over the limit scans in their own favour.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Since it has been brought up

I think that's bullsh!t, if you have scans of a character being over the caps, get it out of the way in the discussion/confirmation thread ... don't sit on them in hopes of getting your opponents disqualified.

That's pretty cowardly (and a total dickhead thing to do)

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The only problem should be if someone tries to use over the limit scans in their own favour.

hey . . . easy killer. more cowardly than blatantly being slick and trying to get someone in the tournament who is clearly over the caps?

if someone is trying to be slick and use a character over the caps, then . . . all's fair, imo.

for my part, i've pm'd goob some of the highest feats of my characters (and am in the process of pm'ing him more) for his ok. should someone call me to task, goob has ALREADY seen the max my characters can do and in his opinion they are STILL within caps. so, i'm not concerned at all over the legality of my picks.

and i would never resort to discrediting an opponent's character as over the cap unless i was 100% sure someone WAS over the caps -- as has happened in prior tournaments. and of course ONE scan would prove nothing. but 5 or 6 scans showing consistently above-caps levels WOULD/SHOULD be enough. goob doesn't know every character -- none of us do. while researching an opponent, should we simply ignore a bunch of feats that were never brought up and yet clearly show an unfamiliar character as being over the caps? should that happen, i think it is only FAIR that the scans be shown. then goob could simply come in, rule on the character during the match and whatever the ruling, the match continues from there. very simple, no squabbling.

to do it your way scoob, is the same as saying someone is allowed to intentionally neuter their character by just showing scans that keep their character under the caps. i could show dr strange scans that would imply HE is below caps too. 😬

so far, i think everyone in this event is close enough to the caps that i wouldn't go out of my way to discredit anyone -- except blood axe. however, that doesn't mean that the tournament itself cannot be used to essentially POLICE the draft picks. i think all this squabbling over banning is ridiculous and is dragging this thing out needlessly. bickering of this nature has already brought down one tournament.

if someone wants to try and get bloodaxe into this event, fine. if they face me i'll prove he's above caps and then i have 2 guys to face instead of three.

if everyone is soooo confident their picks are under caps, then what's the problem? let's get started and let the partcipants sort things out themselves.

Originally posted by leonidas
if someone is trying to be slick and use a character over the caps, then . . . all's fair, imo.

And what if the person didn't know about the over the cap feats? not everyone is an expert in the characters they are using.

Originally posted by leonidas
to do it your way scoob, is the same as saying someone is allowed to intentionally neuter their character by just showing scans that keep their character under the caps.

To do it my way would be to bring up any objections before the matches start and have it dealt with then.

Originally posted by Scoobless
And what if the person didn't know about the over the cap feats? not everyone is an expert in the characters they are using.

hmm, in this case, i don't think ignorance should be an excuse. 😬

To do it my way would be to bring up any objections before the matches start and have it dealt with then. [/B]

that also entails trying to research a large number of characters, which i personally don't really feel like doing. i'd much rather trust the people who chose them. again, if everyone is sure their picks ARE within caps, then there will be absolutely no problem. and the only time a problem WOULD arise, is if there are a number of showings CONFIRMING the character is over the caps.

i don't think a single, high showing would mean anyything if the character has been shown to be consistently portrayed at cap level. i really don't see anything wrong with having the tournament itself act as a policing agent in this thing, and like i said -- so far, with the blood axe exception -- there is no one i feel is clearly over the caps. but if i research cap nazi and find proof that he should be banned, why WOULDN'T i show it when i've gone to great lengths to establish the legality of my own characters? meh, i see it as all part of each participant's due diligence.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, in this case, i don't think ignorance should be an excuse.

A lot of characters have hundreds of appearances and most of us can't possibly know about everything they've done.

If someone is halfway through a match and someone else pulls out feats for their characters that they've never seen or heard of before then I don't think it should be held against them.

bottom line for me is this:

i'm trusting that everyone in this in gonna play fair. that has not always necessarily been the case from what i've seen. all these calls for banning and demanding proof of everyone's levels is unnecessary, imo. someone wants to draft thor -- cool. let him in. at the start of the match someone shows he's above caps, and the slickster is out a character. a fitting punishment.

i am 99% sure everyone in this is legal. but i will research opponents. let the tournament police itself. once again -- if everyone is sure their characters fit under the caps, there should be no issue whatsoever. i still luv ya scoob, so i guess we'll agree to disagree. i'd rather see the thing get started then spend more time wrangling over who is and isn't legal. 🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless
A lot of characters have hundreds of appearances and most of us can't possibly know about everything they've done.

If someone is halfway through a match and someone else pulls out feats for their characters that they've never seen or heard of before then I don't think it should be held against them.

Ok ... if Wonderman is ok then I have nothing to worry about.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't worry Scoobs, I don't plan on banning anyone mid match just because a couple of high end feats are presented. The only way that'll happen is if it turns out that the characters AVERAGE showing puts him at a higher level than is acceptable. The average showing of a character should be known by anyone who is looking to draft them, and that average won't be decided by one or two feats that the participant didn't know about.

exactly. the ONLY way i would try to discredit anyone is if i found a bunch of material that would DEFINITIVELY show someone is over the caps and was trying to slip a fast-one by.

i'm 99.9% certain everyone is fine in this thing. 🙂

just a caveat for everyone to be SURE. 🙂

.1%? Hmm, and here I thought we'd be closer to .5 or 1%. 😛

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.1%? Hmm, and here I thought we'd be closer to .5 or 1%. 😛

We've obviously not been cheating enough .... though it is harder to get away with it when there's someone competent running things.

😖hifty:

I deserved that. 😮 But prepared to fight for your amalgam's imaginary life. evillaugh ..........that didn't come out right. nosweat

Originally posted by Scoobless
We've obviously not been cheating enough .... though it is harder to get away with it when there's someone competent running things.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't worry Scoobs, I don't plan on banning anyone mid match just because a couple of high end feats are presented. The only way that'll happen is if it turns out that the characters AVERAGE showing puts him at a higher level than is acceptable. The average showing of a character should be known by anyone who is looking to draft them, and that average won't be decided by one or two feats that the participant didn't know about.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I thought of a loophole.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What is it?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Just that this rule should work in favor of whoever chose Tony Stark.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What do you mean?

Do we have an estimated date for when the actual battles will begin?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Because, logically, no showings that could be posted could possibly put him above "Iron Man Level" 😛

Actually they can, it Iron Man in the armour he had before the Extremis story that's the limit ... so no Hulkbusters or anything like that.