Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's WWII and what else do you expect? A bunch of old building in Europe burning, some desert in Africa, ice cold Siberia, a lonely beach in the South Pacific...it's suppose to be like that...I couldn't understand why change settings or the enviroment of the game.I mean..you're buying a WWII game and that's what you get. If the same weapons and enemies put you off then there are other FPS to play.
Because those old buildings burning, deserts in Africa and tundra in Siberia have been done before, several times. You can only go through so many burning buildings before you just feel "man, I did this mission in the last game", it's not fun for a player rehashing the same things over and over again, and I'm sure it's grown boring to develop the same thing over and over again as well, when there is completely new and untapped settings, such as the ones that will be in COD4.
Yes, you do expect that in a WWII game, and that's why COD4 won't be a WWII game, because most players are sick of the same thing, hence the relatively poor sales and review scores of COD3 compared to the second one.
It's not like it was simply the setting that made the game fun before, anyways. It was the action and the gameplay, all that will stay the same, just with a new and exciting, and much needed, change in tone and setting.
There's still going to be an assload of WWII games for all your Nazi killing needs. But COD games have always attempted to stay relatively fresh, so this change shouldn't really shock any followers of the franchise.
Plus, it may not be permanent. Maybe after COD4 they'll return to the WWII setting. Who knows.
Originally posted by BackFire
Because those old buildings burning, deserts in Africa and tundra in Siberia have been done before, several times. You can only go through so many burning buildings before you just feel "man, I did this mission in the last game", it's not fun for a player rehashing the same things over and over again, and I'm sure it's grown boring to develop the same thing over and over again as well, when there is completely new and untapped settings, such as the ones that will be in COD4.Yes, you do expect that in a WWII game, and that's why COD4 won't be a WWII game, because most players are sick of the same thing, hence the relatively poor sales and review scores of COD3 compared to the second one.
It's not like it was simply the setting that made the game fun before, anyways. It was the action and the gameplay, all that will stay the same, just with a new and exciting, and much needed, change in tone and setting.
There's still going to be an assload of WWII games for all your Nazi killing needs. But COD games have always attempted to stay relatively fresh, so this change shouldn't really shock any followers of the franchise.
I don't see it as boring...repetitive? yes..boring? no. WWII games are becoming like all those fighting games from the 90's. Remenber how many of those were made and only a few stood above? The issue isn't the genre of the game. It's how the gameplays dictates. I'm sure they could use some new ideas but that could also cause a even worse decline in the genre.... too many ideas implemented in the genre could lead to a clash.
As you said there are too many WWII games but there is also quite a few good ones. Keep in mind what I said..the genre isn't the problem. The problem is how the game is made. I'm sure a few tweaks here and a few tweaks there and WWII games would be much more appreciated.
Originally posted by BackFire
Plus, it may not be permanent. Maybe after COD4 they'll return to the WWII setting. Who knows.
Yup, it may not be permanent, they got very good recognition for COD 2.
That's a good comparison, WD. It is like the fighting games of the 90's, and look where the two series that led that genre are now, both more or less into the realm of mediocrity. The new MK games are average at best, and Street Fighter, well, there hasn't been a new street fighter in a long while. This happened because of a lack of innovation, neither one wanted to try something new until it was already too late.
With COD4, they're doing something new, changing what needs to be changed. And even if it's only a temporary change, it will give them the time they need to think of some new missions for COD5 beyond "Go into this burning building and do some stuff then go rush this beach", if they do decide to go back to WWII.
COD2 did get great recognition, because it was doing some new things, it wasn't just a lazy rehash of the predecessor, like COD3 was. COD4 will be like COD2, in that it will be doing some new things, and by the time they go back to WWII they will have some new, fresh ideas so that their sequels don't just feel like lengthy expansion packs.
Same here, I dont mind WII games and I love COD games, but its getting boring because its repetitive.
How many times do I have clear out a building or a bunker, or how many times I have to be quiet and sneak around, only to have an scripted event happen, and then MG nests blasting all around you. Then how many times do have to flank them to clear them out, and then take that position and then have another scripted event happen, then have a timer to tell you that you have 5 minutes till reinforcements, and then the crazy amount of enemies come at you, and then endless supply of teammates to help you out.....and then that crappy SAS sneaking mission thrown in thiere, oh wait!!! I have to blow up a bridge, or railway, and then jump in this car and fight off the Germans, and watch out for the Tiger tank. Then dont forget the sniping mission in Stalingrad, and oh I have to call out artillary.
I just basically summed up the whole series right there. It needed a change gameplay wise and an modern setting would be cool, but hopefully they still change something or anything...because if its the same COD game, but with colt carbines and modern weaponary and Arabs instead of germans....its still going to be boring.
COD, and COD 2 were awesome. COD3 was forgettable. I dont even remember what missions go to each game. It's all a blur.
Originally posted by BackFire
That's a good comparison, WD. It is like the fighting games of the 90's, and look where the two series that led that genre are now, both more or less into the realm of mediocrity. The new MK games are average at best, and Street Fighter, well, there hasn't been a new street fighter in a long while. This happened because of a lack of innovation, neither one wanted to try something new until it was already too late.With COD4, they're doing something new, changing what needs to be changed. And even if it's only a temporary change, it will give them the time they need to think of some new missions for COD5 beyond "Go into this burning building and do some stuff then go rush this beach", if they do decide to go back to WWII.
COD2 did get great recognition, because it was doing some new things, it wasn't just a lazy rehash of the predecessor, like COD3 was. COD4 will be like COD2, in that it will be doing some new things, and by the time they go back to WWII they will have some new, fresh ideas so that their sequels don't just feel like lengthy expansion packs.
I'm glad you see my comparison between fighting and WWII games. It's not about where the two main games end it up...it's how it help evolved the genre. If there wasn't a Street Fighter or MK there probaby would not been a Soul Calibur or a Killer Instinct.
That's what I want you to understand. Despite the amount of genetic WWII games produce...eventually the genre will evolve games into a fresher and more fun experience. Sure, there will be hit and misses but eventually there will be a WWII game that is going to hit one out of the ballpark.
I'm all for changes and new approaches. I'm sure COD4 will bring something fun and interesting. However, I'm hoping they don't leave the genre behind and move onto something else.
Originally posted by K73SK
already another one? amazing speed of making video games...they made 2 of them after halo2, and both were done before another halo could come out...i wonder if the 4th will make it b4 halo3....
While Treyarch was making CoD3, IW was working on CoD4, so it's been a work-in-progress for a while.
I'm assuming its going to be Call of Duty modernized.
Which aint bad at all because I'm getting sick and tired of playing realistic games.
I want to play a game like Call of Duty with sweet modern guns and crazy intense battles with shit going off all around you. Kinda of like Call of Duty. But its probably an rent, but I might actually buy it on the PC...because I love CoD MP on the PC and hopefully its the same type of game.
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