Ranks for MAs

ozymandis from watchmen should be one of the higher tiers...he said he travelled abroad and mastered many different forms of martia lartist, and he in peak human condition (he caught a bullet)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
ozymandis from watchmen should be one of the higher tiers...he said he travelled abroad and mastered many different forms of martia lartist, and he in peak human condition (he caught a bullet)

But how many issues has he been in to have enough feats?

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
But how many issues has he been in to have enough feats?

That sounds at least top tier.

I actually think melee weapons should be factor in. h2h the most important, but abilites to have skills in weapons should be factor it. We said that we wanted less people in the high tier, and this might be a good way. When individuals are tied with one another ons skill in h2h maybe we showed go to each weapon skills inorder to make the higher tiers small, less individuals. I mean second tier fighter could take a top tier the majority, if they are skilled enough withs weapons while to the top tier is only skilled within a single aspect which means it makes him vulerbale.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
watchmen was a mini series, based on it though he was a very high level martial artist, he talked about mastering various martial arts..and he used his prowess to catch a bullet hat puts him up pretty high doesnt it?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Update.

[b]Current Hierarchy [194]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [10]
Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell, Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, Thanos

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [58]
Agent X, Artemis, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Domino, Donatello, Echo, Erik Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Orion, Ozymandias (DC), Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [67]
Alpha, Ares (Marvel), Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Cat, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke(GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty(GI Joe), Hercules, Hippolyta, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Lobo, Loki, "Mad Dog" Cain, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Mystique, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Prodigy, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sage, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, Typhoid Mary, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong, Yukio

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [38]
Aquaman, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Danielle Moonstar, Deathbird, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jamie Madrox, Joker, Jubilee, Luke Cage, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Nite Owl II, Rorschach, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Strong Guy, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wonder Man, Zauriel

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 2 [llag, Nataku]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 6 [Me, Soljer, llag, Macoy, Smurph, Nataku]
Moon Knight to second: 4 [llagrok, Fake McCoy, Alfheim, Mungi] / 4 [Soljer, Smurph, capt, endrict]
Midnighter to second: 1 [Soljer] / 1 [endrict]
Blade to second: 2 [endrict, Darth Martin] / 2 [llagrok, capt]

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Additions:
I've added Alpha (Michael Sommers) and the "Mad Dog" to third tier for now. The latter actually managed to kill Batgirl, but imo it's more due to brutality than pure skill. As always their placement is subject to discussion and change.

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Notes:

- The last tier has been dissolved. If you think a character that has been removed should be re-added or a character that has been retained be removed then suggestions are welcome.
For reference purposes the characters removed were the following:
Apocalypse, Grace Choi, Hulk, Monet St. Croix, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man,

- N.B. The Top Tier are characters above ~90th percentile of the total hierarchy top tier and under.
There are currently 18 Top Tier slots divided as follows:
Marvel - 8
DC - 8
Independent/Other - 2

- If you feel a character should be moved up or down, please actually state such, so that I do not have to guess intentions.

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-fansy dan for i guess low tier

-batroc for top tier

-zaran for top tier

-mr. X top tier

-tyger tiger for top/second tier

and champion should be trans on principle alone, he got mantis in a full body lock that she couldn't escape from with ease.

-mariko oyama (deathstrike) for second tier

Kang to Third tier.

Black Panther to top tier.

Sabretooth has the skills of a bar-room brawler. He should be in the last tier.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Sabretooth has the skills of a bar-room brawler. He should be in the last tier.

Go read Mary Shelly Overdrive.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Go read Mary Shelly Overdrive.

LOL, maybe you could just tell me what goes on because I can only go with the way Creed was portrayed in the past. Like in Wolverine 126 or 128 or whichever issue he hands Logan his ass he was said in one of the boxes that he has the skill of a ball room brawler. Don't you just love when writers change everything lol? I guess it doesn't matter since those were also the days he was acting under his own will and did whatever he wanted. You know before Daniel Way and Loeb decided to ruin the character and turn him into a sniveling ***** of Romulus.

Shouldn't Zealot be top tier? I'm only sort of familiar with her post 1999 appearances though. Maybe someone who knows the character more can enlighten me.

Blade to second tier
Black Panther to top tier
Dracula top tier
Superman to highly skilled third tier

Whos doing the table? 😐

What type of MA knowledge or feats would a character have to have to be considered in the "cosmic" tier? I mean T'Challa has one shoted Karnak and used the arm bar that hated around the world. Not saying that these feats should put him there, i'm just curious.

Originally posted by Leobama
What type of MA knowledge or feats would a character have to have to be considered in the "cosmic" tier?

To be able to take on cosmic powered characters using MA eg Mantis tripping up Runner and taking on Obliterator

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be able to take on cosmic powered characters using MA eg Mantis tripping up Runner and taking on Obliterator

Originally posted by Leobama
So in your opinion, T'Challa wouldn't stand a chance against someone like Mantis?

He would lose but I think he would at least give a fairly good match and then get beaten by a superior opponent. Wolverine fought Gamora breifly but would have probably lost in the end.

Originally posted by Leobama

BTW, I personally think that he's better than Wolverine, but i'm sure that i'm in the minority.

I think he is as well.

Didn't you put Wolverine above the Panther?

Originally posted by Leobama
Didn't you put Wolverine above the Panther?

LOL not me, other people did. I am not the table.