Father kills daughter b/c she wanted to marry for love

not sure if this is a true story, i was googling something and clicked on a page, i continued reading it when i was shocked to hear of this story, i pray it's not true:

"A father angry that his eldest daughter married for love slit her throat as she slept, then killed three other daughters in a remote village in eastern Pakistan, police said Saturday. Nazir Ahmad, a laborer in his 40s, feared the younger girls, aged 4 to 12, would follow in their 25-year-old sister's footsteps, police officer Shahzad Gul said.Hundreds of women are killed in Pakistan every year, many by male relatives, after they are accused of having affairs or marrying for love without their families' consent"

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This happened in pakistan, not much of a shock.

wow

Originally posted by Magee
This happened in pakistan, not much of a shock.

Originally posted by Magee
This happened in pakistan, not much of a shock.

i have a general compasion for people, and at times, it's problematic, if i thought of it the way you did, it would be business as usual, as this is their culture and this is how they want to raise their children, hurts to read stuff like this.

but.........i thought we fixed the middle east with freedom. 😑

Don't judge other people's culture unless you can give us some thorough preview of their beliefs and explain in context

Originally posted by Schecter
but.........i thought we fixed the middle east with freedom. 😑

Yeah, it's called abortion.

Originally posted by Magee
This happened in pakistan, not much of a shock.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i thought of it the way you did, it would be business as usual.

thats how i feel whenever i read or see anything like this taking place, Pakistan or not

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
thats how i feel whenever i read or see anything like this taking place, Pakistan or not

And yet still, some people feel that way when they read about capital punishment here.

Or maybe 20 years in jail for possession of weed? Sounds a little familiar to domestic stuff also.

Originally posted by Schecter
but.........i thought we fixed the middle east with freedom. 😑

This happened in the Asian part of Pakistan. 😉

Originally posted by Magee
This happened in pakistan, not much of a shock.

✅

Originally posted by chithappens
Don't judge other people's culture unless you can give us some thorough preview of their beliefs and explain in context

ok

what context makes it ok to violate someone's human rights?

hurray for relativism

Example of this is environmental justice:

For the West: The environment directly around them.

Native Americans: The entire Earth. Tends to also include social justice.

You can't universalize the ideas of a certain culture to all people; if you agree or not is another thing entirely.

Originally posted by chithappens

You can't universalize the ideas of a certain culture to all people; if you agree or not is another thing entirely.

So what you are saying is:

"Because it was the Western world that went through the enlightenment and had the freedom to develop the idea of innate human rights, it is immoral to apply those human rights to people in other parts of the world because they...."

Ok, so I don't know why. I don't think the fact that I am a white Canadian makes Arab abuses of women any more justifiable.

Yes, their culture says that women are worth less than man and are the property of them. Boy, I guess that makes it right.

I didn't say it is justifiable. I didn't say it was cool with me. It just is.

Your judgement is invalid if you do not know what they do and why they believe as they do.

It's not about right or wrong. Stupid ass words like that relative/subjective/ and so on. Disagreeing is not the same as saying it is wrong.

I wouldn't do it but someone else would. They would say I was wrong for respecting her wishes, then explain why through their beliefs and all I would be able to do is say "Hey, you are disrespecting her rights that she is entitled to but that you don't believe in!"

It doesn't go anywhere. There are certain situations where I would not apply the same logic because I think every argument has some flaw in it, but certainly there should be no judgement among people who you know nothing about, who do not even believe as you do.

That is preposterous

So, Hitler was ok because he believed in what he was doing.

Most serial killers believe in what they are doing, the compulsion is part of the psychology.

You assume I know nothing of the Arab world? Wow. ok, what standard of proof would you like me to display?

I am not saying that I disagree with these people. I am saying that their actions and beliefs are wrong and evil.

Are you saying that there are times that humans can be treated as property and it is not evil? That subjigation of women is not in any moral interpretation wrong?

Long story short, doing what you are talking about leads to stuff like being able to start a war on bullshit and then say you were "trying to save the people from tyranny."

O wait, there's the war in Iraq.

Logical fallacy A) Strawman: Nobody has proposed any solution to this evil. Do not assume what action I want taken to combat evil.

Logical fallacy B) Slippery Slope: Just because we judge people and ideas as wrong does not mean we will go to war.

Logical fallacy C) Unstated Premise: You don't even aknowledge that you are making the slippery slope argument.

Logical fallacy D) Double Standard: It is not ok to Judge the ideologically driven actions of others yet you judge the ideologically driven actions of the American government.

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I think thats all that were in there....

And that could happen in any situation... Nothing is universal, to be taken at all times and "perfect."

I didn't say I was correct about this.