Jean vs. Storm

Started by DarkCrawler10 pages

Originally posted by 2damnloud
a Blast is cuncussive force.

So, Candra's threat to shut off the guy's power was a "Blast"?

Jean stopping Storm from flying away was a "Blast"?(She was stopping a person from moving)

Jean stopping the knife was a Blast?(Stopping an object)

Jean holding the guy up on the wall was a blast.(Holding a person)

Jean hovering aloft was also a "blast"(causing herself to float)

Every display of TK in that issue was a "blast"??

So, again, is it not plausible that the artist is expressing TK , something formless and intangible in pink enery "blast"???

Is that not what I said???

😆 Desperate.

Ugh.

Just because the artist expresses applying telekinesis with the same style as telekinetic blasts, it doesn't mean that the two of them are the same thing.

Nowhere in the Candra/Storm fight was Candra trying to rip Storm's head from her shoulders or trying to apply her with any other way then direct assault.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ugh.

Just because the artist expresses applying telekinesis with the same style as telekinetic blasts, it doesn't mean that the two of them are the same thing.

Nowhere in the Candra/Storm fight was Candra trying to rip Storm's head from her shoulders or trying to apply her with any other way then direct assault.

And you know this because 😕

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
You mean this?

http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestar4candistruptpsihq4.jpg

I hope that's not what he meant cause she got hit by that psi-bolt. Telepathic mind blasts can only be directed at minds so dodging them is out of the question, looks like Firestar was able to resist it due to the White Queens training. Training with their worlds most powerful telepaths and creatively using their other powers to augment this training is the reason why Storm and just about any one of the X-men can resist certain tp assaults

Originally posted by 2damnloud
And you know this because 😕

Because the electrical field you are heralding so much doesn't even disperse the shield around Candra, showing that it's not enough to even affect all tangible telekinetic matter, apparently.
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

Forget that last post. Storm got through the field, I read the issue myself.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Forget that last post. Storm got through the field, I read the issue myself.

Then why couldn't she get through to Exodus? It doen't make sense. She should not have been able to do that for the very reasons that you stated.

Those constant scans are just to deter you from the fact that electricity cannot negate telekinesis, it's just a ploy to get off topic, when it comes down to force-fields and energy blasts it all boils down to who has exhausted their resources, I have yet to see Jean succumb to this when using her tk shield. In X-men #64 the only thing that protects the X-men and Shang-Chi from a full on wild lightning assault by Storm is Jean and her tk shield, the bolts were dangerously close to getting in, but the point is they didn't.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Those constant scans are just to deter you from the fact that electricity cannot negate telekinesis, it's just a ploy to get off topic, when it comes down to force-fields and energy blasts it all boils down to who has exhausted their resources, I have yet to see Jean succumb to this when using her tk shield. In X-men #64 the only thing that protects the X-men and Shang-Chi from a full on wild lightning assault by Storm is Jean and her tk shield, the bolts were dangerously close to getting in, but the point is they didn't.

Do you have a scan of that? Sounds like a big fight.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Do you have a scan of that? Sounds like a big fight.

Your signature angers me immensely.

Thank you.

I don't have a scan, but this is what went down The Xmen teamed up with Chang Chi to find the Elixir Vitae as a possible cure for the legacy virus, Wilson Fisk (The Kingpin) finds it first then, Sebastian Shaw shows up to take it, Chang Chi realized that he must destroy the elixir so that neither Fisk or Shaw gets it, Storm beats him to the punch and unleashes a lightning attack that destroys the elixir and basically the entire interior of the lab. Jean raises a tk shield at the last minute and protects them all from her elemental fury.

So it was pis when Storm got through Jean's and Sue's shields?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
It's only PIS when you don't like it, of course. When has her power gotten past Jean's TK? or Sue's field?I could just as easily say that issue of FF was PIS, considering that Jean had essentially woken up from a several year coma, and since it was shown later that Sue couldn't get past her TK.

Bygones...

Not at all. Storm was shown being able to get through JEan/s and Sue's field BEFORE this Exodus story. This was PIS because you had one character, Exodus, trying to take on a large group of heroes. They had Exodus vs. Sersi one-on-one to show that those two going at it would have destroyed the city. She probably could have won, but at too great of a price. Xavier was neutralized because Exodus had enhanced the fear and hatred of the Genoshans against mutants. It was much easier for him to play on that than for Xavier to try and take it away since their mindset/emotions/psyche was already in that direction to begin with. However, the story called Xavier a greater psi than Exodus. Then they cooked up this thing for Storm with a TK field. Xavier, STorm and Sersi were the three characters in the arc who could have destroyed the credibility of the story, so they came up with things to weaken the three of them. What they came up with Storm did not work. They should have tried something else.

In regards to Sue/Jean, my point is not whether or not one can get through the other's field while the other cannot. Its obvious to me that in order for either character to use their powers through either one's field, they would have to break it down first. For Storm, this is not the case. She is automatically connected to the life force of the planet/etc. For Jean Grey to grab anything with her TK, she HAS to project energy whether it is visible or invisible. She has no direct control over an object unless she exercises her TK on it. Storm, on the other hand, controls the forces of nature directly and is linked to them in a way far beyond anything Jean can manage. Hence, she is able to control nature even through force-fields/energy fields while TK's generally can't. Jean isn't grabbing Storm through her electrical field or in anyway working her TK directly upon Storm.

That "Bloodties" arc was very unrealistic. Storm should not have been in that story and I am not so sure that I buy him taking out Scarlet Witch like that when you had all of those other characters around her who could have played interference to give her time to work up a hex to take him down. One-on-one, he could beat SW no problem. She's limited. She can only throw one hex at a time while he can come at her in more than one way at a time. She cannot counter all of that. Anywho, that's all...

Originally posted by LordKaos
I don't have a scan, but this is what went down The Xmen teamed up with Chang Chi to find the Elixir Vitae as a possible cure for the legacy virus, Wilson Fisk (The Kingpin) finds it first then, Sebastian Shaw shows up to take it, Chang Chi realized that he must destroy the elixir so that neither Fisk or Shaw gets it, Storm beats him to the punch and unleashes a lightning attack that destroys the elixir and basically the entire interior of the lab. Jean raises a tk shield at the last minute and protects them all from her elemental fury.

This is not true at all. None of the lightning hits JEan's force-field. The issue states blantanly that Jean Grey erects a field to shield the team from the shatterd glass being hurled by the force of the lightning. The lightning fury was so strong that Jean Grey's force-field could barely withstand the impact of the glass though none of the bolts hit the field directly. Jean Grey was not Storm's target.

In "Legion Quest", as Storm battled Legion, she summoned winds so strong that they broke the rules of nature. Legion was the target of her winds, but Jean got a taste of it and her TK could not stand against the taste of it she got for long.

The entire area was Storms target and lightning was everywhere, except in Jeans shield. To say that Storm was targeting anything specific is far fetched considering her only intent was to destroy the elixir and the lab that spawned it so that nobody could get it. She would have not risked such a large bolt in such a limited area if she hadn't already suspected that Jean could protect the others from the fallout.
The fun thing about reading comics is you read what's written you look at the pictures and then you apply common sense to the things that are not outlined for you. The Xmen are a very tight group who see themselves as a family more than anything else they would not endanger the lives of their teammates just to flaunt a vulgar display of power.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The entire area was Storms target and lightning was everywhere, except in Jeans shield. To say that Storm was targeting anything specific is far fetched considering her only intent was to destroy the elixir and the lab that spawned it so that nobody could get it. She would have not risked such a large bolt in such a limited area if she hadn't already suspected that Jean could protect the others from the fallout.
The fun thing about reading comics is you read what's written you look at the pictures and then you apply common sense to the things that are not outlined for you. The Xmen are a very tight group who see themselves as a family more than anything else they would not endanger the lives of their teammates just to flaunt a vulgar display of power.

This is not true. The issue states blatanly what Storm did with her lightning. It ran through the complex and destroyed all traces of the elixer to avoid a dangerous confrontation. It also states in plain english what Jean's force-field did. It blocked out the glass hurled by the lightning. Storm has excellent control over her abilities. If she did not want the lightning to touch the field, it would not. She was not trying to hurt her team.

Before you try, I know that there are a handful of PIS issues/instances out there that play down the amount of fine-tune control Storm has. However, there are plenty of instances to establish her fine-tune control.

That said, none of that has any bearing here as the issue outlined exactly what Storm did and what Jean did in plain english and Jean's force-field could barely withstand the impact of the glass hurled by the force of Storm's lightning. Now, imagine if this were a death-duel between Storm and Jean and Ororo aimed her bolts at JEan's field instead of the glass. It would have been MUCH worse for Jean Grey.

Stop adding to the text to beef up Jean and play down Storm. Ororo is much more powerful than Jean Grey.

Then high showings for both mutants only.

As much as I love Storm Jean would win.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Then high showings for both mutants only.

And they can only use powers and feats that they already done at least once. I assume there's plenty of high showings for both with the two being a powerful alpha and an omega mutant.

as a result of training with XAVIER, MAGNETO, CABLE, PHOENIX, PSYLOCKE & more recently E. Frost Storm's psi shields are configured to run continuosly like Magneto.

Storm blinds Jeanie psychically saturating the immediate environment with a concentrated ion field.

A hybrid dust-storm-hurricane-blizzard neutralises Jean's five natural senses

oooooo! {remember how easily Hank Mccoy fashioned an elecric neural dampener to short out the mind of DARK PHOENIX "THE CHAOS BRINGER"

thats right. 😄 }

ripped grey jeans