Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThat wasn't a woman. That was chameleon.
Luke has a better chance against Spiderman, if he goes up against Wolverine hes f*ked.LOL did you see the latest issue of Spiderman were a policewomen kicks him in his head.
On-topc. Spider-man keeps IF busy while Logan stabs Luke. Then it's 2 against one. Wolverine and Spider-man = dead IF...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay, I can understand where you're coming from now, this post is a little more clear in your intentions.And while I understand your reasoning for IF closing the speed gap against Spidey, Spidey's still got the GINORMOUS strength advantage. So if he can dodge IF enough (which I think both you and I believe he can) and land even just a decent shot, it should put Fist down. Kind of the same deal with Wolverine really.
But yea. By NO means is this an easy match. Not by a long shot. Both Fist and Cage lay some serious damage on the other two, but I just don't think it'll be enough.
To add what Soljer said (Back in 2007 😛 )
Remember evil, red suited Danny? Vibranium suit shredding ki levels? Luke Cage claimed he hit Danny as hard as he can in the back of his head, while in this condition, and he failed to knock him unconscious.
Basically, like Soljer said, his entire stats become amped while channeling his chi (Which is alluded to under Claremont when Colleen Wing gained the ability to amp her strength with her chi after mind melding with Danny.)
Since pictures are worth more then words, here's one of Danny restraining a tiger:
http://comicsalliance.com/luke-cage-power-man/
Later, during “Power Man & Iron Fist” #55, he and Danny end up fighting a tiger at a car show…
…and the guy with the super-powered punch grabs it, while the guy with indestructible skin delivers the knockout. You’d think it’d be the other way around, but I’m guessing they’d done it so much by this point that they’d actually be bored if they played to their strengths.
Nothing Spidey couldn't do without breaking a sweat, but it's certainly more then a normal street should be capable of.
Originally posted by Stoic
Spideys best feats outweigh anything that Danny or Luke has done collectively not to mention 1 on 1. Firelord ring a bell? How about when he embarrassed the Xmen and the Fantastic 4.Adding Wolverine to the mix is overkill.
Herc is worth a Firelord, even while drunk. 😛
And there's Bres.
Originally posted by h1a8
Team 2.
Logan is hard to put down with one shot claws and Spidey isjust too fast and has unfair spidey sense.
Cage pins Logan with a big rock?
Seriously, whenever a "Wolverine can beat brick" arguments come up, I wonder why Hulk or someone never bothered dropping a mountain on him. Lets see him claw his way out of that.
And Danny can match Spidey's better speed feats. His bullet catch alone is > almost any bullet time feat you can bring up.
Originally posted by cdtm
Cage pins Logan with a big rock?Seriously, whenever a "Wolverine can beat brick" arguments come up, I wonder why Hulk or someone never bothered dropping a mountain on him. Lets see him claw his way out of that.
And Danny can match Spidey's better speed feats. His bullet catch alone is > almost any bullet time feat you can bring up.
Wolverine is faster and far more skilled than Cage and can cut him up (especially the eyes).
The bullet catch is nothing compared to moving one's WHOLE BODY completely out of the line of fire AFTER a bullet is only inches away. Or dodging and evading a homing bullet for a good while (even catching it at the end). Or covering so much ground to block bullets after they were fired. Let's face it, Spidey can move his body faster than Danny can move his hands LOL. But even if their speed was comparable we still have the unfair spidey sense along with being much stronger and more durable and with webbing.
Originally posted by h1a8
The bullet catch is nothing compared to moving one's WHOLE BODY completely out of the line of fire AFTER a bullet is only inches away. Or dodging and evading a homing bullet for a good while (even catching it at the end). Or covering so much ground to block bullets after they were fired. Let's face it, Spidey can move his body faster than Danny can move his hands LOL. But even if their speed was comparable we still have the unfair spidey sense along with being much stronger and more durable and with webbing.
No calcs? Getting kind of lazy, aren't you h1? 🙂
And no, catching a bullet is more impressive then dodging a bullet. Unless the bullet is dodged at point blank range, with the muzzle up against the body.
Originally posted by cdtm
No calcs? Getting kind of lazy, aren't you h1? 🙂
LOL calcs aren't need when there is a big enough difference.
Let's say that the bullet was fired 10ft away from Danny before he caught it.
So Danny moved his hand about 3-4ft in that time the bullet was traveling.
Spidey moved his body about 3ft when the bullet was 2-3 inches away from him. This is a big difference.
In another scene, Spidey traveled at least 10ft after bullets were fired at someone. Spidey reacted, traveled more than 10ft and got in front and blocked them with webbing.
Im mostly joking of course here. I do believe Spidey is faster (not a whole lot though) but I feel his spidey sense is the key along with his superior strength and pain in the ass webbing.
Originally posted by h1a8
LOL calcs aren't need when there is a big enough difference.
Let's say that the bullet was fired 10ft away from Danny before he caught it.
So Danny moved his hand about 3-4ft in that time the bullet was traveling.
So, by your logic:
Batgirl is as fast as Spider-man? 😄
That bullet came awfully close, before she started moving.
h1, do you know the velocity of military grade flechette rounds?
Pretty sure they're slower then bullets at any distance due to wind drag, but have comparable muzzle escape velocity.
And these flechettes could pierce steel. Danny redirects something like 50 of them here, at point blank range, without getting a scratch on him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Im mostly joking of course here. I do believe Spidey is faster (not a whole lot though) but I feel his spidey sense is the key along with his superior strength and pain in the ass webbing.
If we're in agreement about their speed, relative to each other, then here's my main point:
Lets say Spider-Oct comes flying at him with his best punch. Iron Fist is ready for him, with an Iron Fist. The results would probably look something like this:
Just picture Spidey's fist instead of Scorpian's tail. (Incidentally, the tails fast enough to catch even Spidey with his SS flatfooted, if he's distracted. Happened a few issues after the one this scan is from, so this is quite the reaction/speed feat in addition to a pure power feat.)
Originally posted by cdtm
If we're in agreement about their speed, relative to each other, then here's my main point:Lets say Spider-Oct comes flying at him with his best punch. Iron Fist is ready for him, with an Iron Fist. The results would probably look something like this:
Just picture Spidey's fist instead of Scorpian's tail. (Incidentally, the tails fast enough to catch even Spidey with his SS flatfooted, if he's distracted. Happened a few issues after the one this scan is from, so this is quite the reaction/speed feat in addition to a pure power feat.)
Characters in comics have varying speed, strength, power showings. They don't always operate at the same levels. Spidey has operated at slightly above human speed to speeds multiple times faster than bullets, same with scorpion or any other character.
Gladiator shattered a planet with a few punches. It would be stupid of me to argue
"Colossus beats Namor for a majority because he tanked Gladiator punches and Gladiator was shown to destroy planets with his punches."
Arguments like that are faulty but nonetheless convincing to those who don't understand how comics work.
I believe that Spidey can operate his limbs about 1.5-3x faster than Iron Fist. But he holds back. So that would probably reduce his attack speed to that of Iron Fist levels. Similarly, Iron Fist (in character) wouldn't attempt to shatter Spidey's arm like he did Scorpions tail. Scorpions tail can be replaced while Spidey's arm cannot. Plus Spidey's sense would be going off and telling him not to throw that particular punch at that time (rather use webbing instead).
