Originally posted by AlfheimStill... he is not on the level of the people in high herald, and mid is pushing it... and one showing means nothing. Does that mean I can put Cap at low (don't answer that), or Spider-Man at mid? Hell... Wolverine would enjoy it at mid, or low as well.
Nah...I think i'll go for high-herald since its only one showing with HE.
Terrax to low. For: 3 (Bat, llag, TP) Against: 4 (bran, Strength, Rash, Newjack)
Sentry to mid. For: 6 (Bat, llag, TP, CP, Pr, Newjack) Against: 11 (Bran, V, Priest, Strengthkills, Accel, Smurph, EC, 'hat, Kandy, Val, Rash)
Ravenous to low. For: 2 (llag. TP) Against: 1 (bran)
Darkseid to Trans. For: 7 (Bran, Soljer, Quan, Val, Priest, Strength, Goober) Against: 8 (fatnude, ass, T-pain, nvr, Spauld, Crest, llag, Newjack)
Apocalypse to high. For: 1 (Alf) Against: 1 (Bran)
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
I accidentally didn't post all scans of the fight. Check my post again. 🙂
Well anyway I thought I saw scans of Wolverine taking out one of those with ease...so I dunno what to say really.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Still... he is not on the level of the people in high herald, and mid is pushing it... and one showing means nothing. Does that mean I can put Cap at low (don't answer that), or Spider-Man at mid? Hell... Wolverine would enjoy it at mid, or low as well.
But...
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Well its not oine showing heres my reasoning. Ikaris mide-herald owned. Exodus defeats Sersi...Sersi is...mid-herald? Apoc owned Exodus with extreme ease...so that would make him high-herald. Then theres Apocs fight with HE, ok its only one fight that was inconcluisve so we cant put him at sub-skyfather but it could be argued that he was able to hold his own for a bit because of his high-herald status.
Terrax to low. For: 3 (Bat, llag, TP) Against: 5 (bran, Strength, Rash, Newjack, Smurph)
Sentry to mid. For: 6 (Bat, llag, TP, CP, Pr, Newjack) Against: 11 (Bran, V, Priest, Strengthkills, Accel, Smurph, EC, 'hat, Kandy, Val, Rash)
Ravenous to low. For: 2 (llag, TP) Against: 2 (bran, Smurph)
Darkseid to Trans. For: 7 (Bran, Soljer, Quan, Val, Priest, Strength, Goober) Against: 8 (fatnude, ass, T-pain, nvr, Spauld, Crest, llag, Newjack)
Apocalypse to high. For: 1 (Alf) Against: 2 (Bran, Smurph)
Originally posted by AlfheimAww... so it's ABC logic. 🙂
Well anyway I thought I saw scans of Wolverine taking out one of those with ease...so I dunno what to say really.Well its not oine showing heres my reasoning. Ikaris mide-herald owned. Exodus defeats Sersi...Sersi is...mid-herald? Apoc owned Exodus with extreme ease...so that would make him high-herald. Then theres Apocs fight with HE, ok its only one fight that was inconcluisve so we cant put him at sub-skyfather but it could be argued that he was able to hold his own for a bit because of his high-herald status.
Still, you wanted him moved up based on the HE showing earlier.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Aww... so it's ABC logic. 🙂
Yeah so what other logic do you want me to use. Apoc used his powers and owned mid-herald characters therefore he must be above high-herald....so that makes him low-meta does it?
Originally posted by Bransolute
Still, you wanted him moved up based on the HE showing earlier.
Yeah I did, so it doesnt count?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well anyway I thought I saw scans of Wolverine taking out one of those with ease...so I dunno what to say really.
HOW did he kill one with ease?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well its not oine showing heres my reasoning. Ikaris mide-herald owned. Exodus defeats Sersi...Sersi is...mid-herald? Apoc owned Exodus with extreme ease...so that would make him high-herald. Then theres Apocs fight with HE, ok its only one fight that was inconcluisve so we cant put him at sub-skyfather but it could be argued that he was able to hold his own for a bit because of his high-herald status.
High-Herald is really pushing it.
Mid-Herald level is fine.
Originally posted by AlfheimOK... Doom owned Warlock.
Yeah so what other logic do you want me to use. Apoc used his powers and owned mid-herald characters therefore he must be above high-herald....so that makes him low-meta does it?Yeah I did, so it doesnt count?
Thor beat Ego.
Galactus stalemated Ego. Thor=Galactus?
Cap beat Hulk.
Hulk beat Thor. Cap>Thor?
Spider-Man beat Firelord.
Firelord beat Surfer. Spider-Man>Surfer?
What am I talking about, ABC logic is awesome!
Well basing a characters placement over one showing is horrible logic...
Terrax to low. For: 3 (Bat, llag, TP) Against: 5 (bran, Strength, Rash, Newjack, Smurph)
Sentry to mid. For: 6 (Bat, llag, TP, CP, Pr, Newjack) Against: 11 (Bran, V, Priest, Strengthkills, Accel, Smurph, EC, 'hat, Kandy, Val, Rash)
Ravenous to low. For: 2 (llag, TP) Against: 2 (bran, Smurph)
Darkseid to Trans. For: 7 (Bran, Soljer, Quan, Val, Priest, Strength, Goober) Against: 8 (fatnude, ass, T-pain, nvr, Spauld, Crest, llag, Newjack)
Apocalypse to high. For: 1 (Alf) Against: 4 (Bran, Smurph, Soljer, V)
Originally posted by Bransolute
OK... Doom owned Warlock.
Warlock owned Drax. Doom>Drax?
How...prep? Apoc didnt use prep.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Thor beat Ego.
Galactus stalemated Ego. Thor=Galactus?
Thor controls the weather so he used a particluar technique to beat Ego. Apoc didnt sue technique to beat Ikaris, Exodus or fight HE
Originally posted by Bransolute
Cap beat Hulk.
Hulk beat Thor. Cap>Thor?
He used his MA skill did Apoc use MA skill on Ikaris and EXodus no he used his powers.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Spider-Man beat Firelord.
Firelord beat Surfer. Spider-Man>Surfer?
That example is PIS. So Apoc beating Ikaris is PIS? So Apoc beating Exodus is PIS.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Well basing a characters placement over one showing is horrible logic...
Its not one showing its three.
Originally posted by AlfheimDoom one-shotted Warlock through his own suits power... twice.
How...prep? Apoc didnt use prep.Thor controls the weather so he used a particluar technique to beat Ego. Apoc didnt sue technique to beat Ikaris, Exodus or fight HE
He used his MA skill did Apoc use MA skill on Ikaris and EXodus no he used his powers.
That example is PIS. So Apoc beating Ikaris is PIS? So Apoc beating Exodus is PIS.
And weather should only go so far, because Galactus's hits didn't have as much effect...
No lightning strike should be>Galactus's cosmic power. Which should put Thor above Galactus...
MA is hardly relevant when Cap's hits were affecting Hulk... and he didn't seem to be putting too much skill into it...
Actually... the way Apoc beat Ikaris was pis. You don't stab an Eternal.
Apoc depowered Exodus... which, since you wanted to rule out the showing against Cap because he supposedly used MA, then Apoc used his control over energy.
Originally posted by AlfheimOh... three... no way! 🙄
Its not one showing its three.
OK. 🙂
Cap owns Huc. Cap drops Molecule Man. Cap drops Enchantress. 🙂
Cap for high herald.
Originally posted by Bransolute
OK... Doom owned Warlock.
Warlock owned Drax. Doom>Drax?Thor beat Ego.
Galactus stalemated Ego. Thor=Galactus?Cap beat Hulk.
Hulk beat Thor. Cap>Thor?Spider-Man beat Firelord.
Firelord beat Surfer. Spider-Man>Surfer?What am I talking about, ABC logic is awesome!
Well basing a characters placement over one showing is horrible logic...
Beating >
Stalemating =
Cap>Hulk>Thor> Ego = Galactus>Surfer<Spiderman
Originally posted by Bransolute
Doom one-shotted Warlock through his own suits power... twice.
Ok fair enough.
Originally posted by Bransolute
And weather should only go so far, because Galactus's hits didn't have as much effect...No lightning strike should be>Galactus's cosmic power. Which should put Thor above Galactus...
Ok thats true but to be quite honest using the weather against a planet is not illogical way to harm it. It could be argued that obvously Big G should have killed Ego more easily, but the way I see it its like DD vs Mr Hyde. DD could drop Mr HYde with a pressure point but Luke could drop Hyde with brue force.
Originally posted by Bransolute
MA is hardly relevant when Cap's hits were affecting Hulk... and he didn't seem to be putting too much skill into it...
I think it is relevant because using technique to beat an opponent is not the same as using power.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Actually... the way Apoc beat Ikaris was pis. You don't stab an Eternal.
Apoc depowered Exodus... which, since you wanted to rule out the showing against Cap because he supposedly used MA, then Apoc used his control over energy.
Hoiw he beat Ikaris PIS but it was stated that Apoc was the enemy of the eternsals and that he had fought Ikaris many times, so its not that Apoc didnt have the capability to beat him it was just badly written.
What were the circumstances around Exoduses depowering? Did he use a machine prior to the fight to depower Exodus?
Originally posted by Bransolute
Oh... three... no way! 🙄OK. 🙂
Cap owns Huc. Cap drops Molecule Man. Cap drops Enchantress. 🙂
Cap for high herald.
In two of those examples Cap used technqiue. You might as well then say that Batman is more powerful than Superman if he use Kryponite. In Apocs battles he did not use technique he used power. Furthermore Cap beat MM simply because he was too fast for him. Thats not happened when Apoc beat Ikaris, and fought HE..I wont comment on Exodus because I dont know the cirumstances.