KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Darkseid stays while BA should be bumped up.

DS clear history shows him to be right where he is currently located. People can claim we've never seen the true DS but that is just hyperbole. Do you think if DS had always had these "true" powers of his he wouldn't have tried to bend time and space long ago? Do you think he would've lost to superman and let him get in the way of his plans all these times? Do you think he would've let DD come to his home world and lay waste to it if he could've stopped it by showing his "true form" The fact is a lot of things fell into place to allow DS to run with what was caused by the war, him dying and truly learning how to use the ALE to do more then mind control. All these things were stated on panel to have allowed DS to even further go with the flow. That is clear because it's stated they messed up space and time and then all of sudden DS is doing all these things he's never done before. yet we're suppose to believe he always could? Nope he couldn't or he would have long ago if it was that easy for him.

So, in conclusion... DS stays and BA goes up

Also, can I call a vote for DP to be moved up and off the list? He is certainly above Trans and I could see him beating most everybody on that list. Wrecking top heralds a low skyfather imo but trans on this list in Thanos and then beating up on a higher then Skyfather being in Galactus certainly should have him above Trans and maybe even above skyfather.

And you can just smell the bias in this post. 🙄 I should probably mention that many of the things he did were things that were always in his powerset. *cough* Seven Soldiers *cough*.

And since you did not understand either that or Final Crisis AT ALL, I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. doped

Adam, well there you might have a point. I'd say Orion is more deserving in terms of status if we're going to consider bumping BA for badassery.

👇 on Depowered Tyrant. He got shitcanned by Galactus and beat him by technopathy. And failing to stop Thanos is a LOW FEAT. Odin owned Thanos, Tyrant was actually flustered by him, (but not really hurt much.)

Ganymede and Terrax are not top heralds. Nor is Gladiator.

I kind of agree with Trick, I don't see how Tyrant should be considered off the list when his feats are behind modern day Thanos and DS.

First off, DS created an actual reality under his own power and then controlled it. IN seven Soldiers. He's created Stayne who beats nearly everyone on the Heralds list and alot of the trans list. He's clearly beyond trans.

DP tyrant is also a skyfather IMO. He's clearly more powerful than Thanos. And Thanos doesn't need to be on the list either. All three are too powerful for the trans list.

Originally posted by Bentley
I kind of agree with Trick, I don't see how Tyrant should be considered off the list when his feats are behind modern day Thanos and DS.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First off, DS created an actual reality under his own power and then controlled it. IN seven Soldiers. He's created Stayne who beats nearly everyone on the Heralds list and alot of the trans list. He's clearly beyond trans.

DP tyrant is also a skyfather IMO. He's clearly more powerful than Thanos. And Thanos doesn't need to be on the list either. All three are too powerful for the trans list.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Neither Tyrant, Darkseid or Thanos should be off the list.

Those are the two ways of seeing the matter. Another way would be to simply bump down losers like Despero to High Herald 🙂

I'm just wondering when Digi's FINALLY gonna move Blob down to mid-meta.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I'm just wondering when Digi's FINALLY gonna move Blob down to mid-meta.

Val's the one who seems to do make the posts and then Digi edits it. I don't think Digi is the one who makes the move up and down.

I do occasionally. There's just never a huge time table for this list. I get to it when I can. It takes a backseat to lots of my other KMC stuff, but gets updated frequently enough that there isn't massive complaints.

As it is, I had forgotten about Blob. I'll make the change sometime soon.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And you can just smell the bias in this post. 🙄 I should probably mention that many of the things he did were things that were always in his powerset. *cough* Seven Soldiers *cough*.

And since you did not understand either that or Final Crisis AT ALL, I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. doped

Adam, well there you might have a point. I'd say Orion is more deserving in terms of status if we're going to consider bumping BA for badassery.

👇 on Depowered Tyrant. He got shitcanned by Galactus and beat him by technopathy. And failing to stop Thanos is a LOW FEAT. Odin owned Thanos, Tyrant was actually flustered by him, (but not really hurt much.)

Ganymede and Terrax are not top heralds. Nor is Gladiator.

First off, Trick it's clear that if it was that easy to fold time and space he would've done this long ago. The fact is that he couldn't without the other things I and others have mentioned taking place that allowed him to further mess things up. Everything I stated in on panel and clearly logic dictates that it greatly helped him do what he did. Again, if it was that easy it would've been attempted long ago or shown long ago. The reality created in seven soldiers is a lot different then what took place in FC. Sh1t if it was so easy he should've tried to take over batman or superman long ago because they have continually messed up his plans lol. His "true" form should've stepped up long ago when he's gotten wrecked. One showing which wasn't all under his own power is now what his true form is? No his true form never showed up during times of need because you know what DS is just DS. Don't get me wrong he's powerful and IMO displayed some good stuff that took a lot of power. However, lets not forget that he wouldn't have been able to do what he did without the things happening that I mentioned which clearly gave him the opportunity and had nothing to do with his own power.

As far as DP Tyrant goes.... Glads is a top herald and so is SS and BRB. He wrecked all of them. Come on vaporizing Glads is a small feat? Odin was every bit as bothered by Thanos that tyrant was. You don't remember Odin saluting Thanos a few times and talking about them both having a near infinite power source. YOu don't remember Odin clearly out for the kill and frustrated he couldn't put Thanos away. Thanos never said Odin could have killed him. However, the thanos that had already been upgraded and a lot stronger then the one odin fought clearly said if he stayed longer Tyrant would've killed him. So, your whole Tyrant struggled or was more irritated with Thanos is amusing. Fact is Tyrant wasn't losing to Galactus at all during the whole fight really. They were exchanging blows and Galactus was getting pissed he couldn't put Tyrant down and was taking punishment and thus tried another tactic which obviously back fired. I think it's a great showing when you are beating a well fed prepped Galactus that shows your powerful level and intelligence.

Originally posted by fangirl101
First off, DS created an actual reality under his own power and then controlled it. IN seven Soldiers. He's created Stayne who beats nearly everyone on the Heralds list and alot of the trans list. He's clearly beyond trans.

DP tyrant is also a skyfather IMO. He's clearly more powerful than Thanos. And Thanos doesn't need to be on the list either. All three are too powerful for the trans list.

Beings people create don't really apply Fangirl. As Thanos created Omega who is more power then Stayne imo. As far as the rest of your post I can't really disagree. I feel all three could very well be off Trans list as you claim. I don't really have a problem with that and agree those three have shown powerlevels above Trans. IMO Tyrant is the most powerful of the three followed by DS/Thanos in whatever order people choose.

DS and Thanos can stop being discussed. Nothing is or will be done with them in the foreseeable future. If that's a problem, tough. It's a forum list meant as a rough guideline. Certainly not as a jumping off point for the sophomoric finger-pointing we have going on here. Anyone who continues can expect official warnings.

Originally posted by Digi
DS and Thanos can stop being discussed. Nothing is or will be done with them in the foreseeable future. If that's a problem, tough. It's a forum list meant as a rough guideline. Certainly not as a jumping off point for the sophomoric finger-pointing we have going on here. Anyone who continues can expect official warnings.

What about DP Tyrant Digi?

My post didn't mention him. Discuss him if necessary, just like anyone else, provided it stays within the rules of conduct. Obviously if it becomes an extension of the discussion I just put a stop to, there will be problems. Otherwise, go right ahead.

Originally posted by Digi
DS and Thanos can stop being discussed. Nothing is or will be done with them in the foreseeable future. If that's a problem, tough. It's a forum list meant as a rough guideline. Certainly not as a jumping off point for the sophomoric finger-pointing we have going on here. Anyone who continues can expect official warnings.

It had devolved into insults, and was accomplishing nothing productive. I was well within my position as a moderator to put an end to it. If you have further concerns, PM me, as there is also a section of KMC's rules that tells us: Please remember that moderators are humans and not robots and if they make a decision that you disagree with you cannot argue with them in public. Instead contact them privately to resolve the matter, or contact the Administrator. I generally dislike invoking that rule to warn people, but it would expediate most problems on the forums if it were actually observed rather than ignored.

Beyond that, anyone who is able to discuss characters civilly and vote on them accordingly is welcome to do so, as it has always been.

Originally posted by Digi
It had devolved into insults, and was accomplishing nothing productive. I was well within my position as a moderator to put an end to it. If you have further concerns, PM me, as there is also a section of KMC's rules that tells us: Please remember that moderators are humans and not robots and if they make a decision that you disagree with you [b]cannot argue with them in public. Instead contact them privately to resolve the matter, or contact the Administrator. I generally dislike invoking that rule to warn people, but it would expediate most problems on the forums if it were actually observed rather than ignored.

Beyond that, anyone who is able to discuss characters civilly and vote on them accordingly is welcome to do so, as it has always been. [/B]

We should really define well the whole difference between trans and high herald, because if you ask me, some characters in high heralds are very impressive, and pretty much as impressive as trans character, is a thin jump.

I take Takion and Cyborg Superman as an example: They can be either top dogs in the high herald tier or low trans levelers. Thanos or DS are seen at top trans levelers. I think we should have a clear key difference between the higher levels, because really, the high herald class is so exclusive that is almost useless.

I say lets bump down people from the trans character and decide if its worth to have such tier altogether after fixing that.

The difference between mid and high herald is probably the thinest actually.

I nominate Supreme Power Hyperion for Herald middle tier.

To answer some of the earlier questions, Silver Surfer has generally been used as the upper benchmark for HH. Anything above him is Trans. Skyfathers (Odin, Zeus, etc.) similarly cap the Trans. Anything below them is Trans. And clearly there's a need for both tiers, or else team-wrecking Sub-Skyfathers would be sharing the same tier as characters who would be utterly wrecked by them.

Despero is a good example: many have said he's not at the same level as other Trans. which is probably true. But at the same time, he has taken on and beaten entire teams of heroes who are in the mid and high herald categories. Characters do not have to be identical in power to share the same tier.

Obviously, anyone trying to find clear distinctions between other tiers will not find them. There's "high" and "low" characters within each tier, because 10 tiers is not enough to encompass ALL power levels. There will inevitably be a little fluctuation even within the tiers. So coming up with concrete barriers is next to impossible (the HH/Trans barriers are actually among the most clearly defined). The best way to define the tiers, then, is simply to look at who is in them and judge accordingly.