Originally posted by It's Faceman
nope he's not there.
didn't think so.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Mid meta oughta suit him.
i think high. uhuh
Originally posted by It's Faceman
he doesn't even have a respect thread. Considering all the Avenger books I have access to, I might just make one for him.
same here, but then i realise i'd want to redesign a couple of others first.
Originally posted by Digi
I'll add Hank. Mid meta sounds right as a starting position.
High. 🙁
Originally posted by id369
Stryfe for Low Herald
For: Id, Enyalus
Against:I propose, Tangent Superman for High Herald.
I'll put Stryfe there because no one else seems to care.
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Originally posted by leonidas
dohso . . . who else is up for votes? just cuz i'm bored i'll throw out a couple names to discuss:
--doom to mid herald (strange has recently commented on doom's magical prowess--combined with his tech that really should be enough)
--adam strange down to low meta (unless someone has feats to justify his being high meta he seems WAY too high. most seemed to think spidey would kick his arse with just standard gear . . .)
--black widow to mid street (low streets don't run the avengers . . . she's nearly on par with dd h2h and her stings are powerful enough to hurt hercules and have good range. having her in low street is simply wrong.)a couple unlisted:
--marvel star-lord (maybe low meta?)
--cosmo??anyone else?
Against Doom. Strange's word shouldn't equal a move. Yet.
Adam Strange was voted down to Mid a while ago. High Meta is obviously too high, but we'll stop the discussion there and call it a compromise. I'll make the move.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not so much me conceding that he doesn't deserve to be in mid-Meta.It's more like me conceding that despite me feeling that way, he IS also fine where he is. Despite the amount of people there, he's easily top five, so it's not like he's in bad company or being poorly represented.
-AC
Agreed. It was voted down by a clear majority, though, so I can't make a switch. But I think he's alright where he is. Clearly there's "tiers within tiers" since 10 ranks can't quantify all levels of powers, so it's reasonable to see him among the best of low meta.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNo. He's unquestionably better because he has equal or better feats in pretty much every single regard, and has an adamantium skeleton, super senses, etc.
Wolverine is not unquestionably better than Deadpool just because he's Wolverine.
He's just Deadpool and much more.
While we're on the subject (or just barely off it), I wouldn't even put Deadpool in the top five in low meta. Maybe top ten, I'd have to take a careful look at the list. Either way, the idea of him in mid meta is fairly absurd.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
No. He's unquestionably better because he has equal or better feats in pretty much every single regard, and has an adamantium skeleton, super senses, etc.He's just Deadpool and much more.
"He's unquestionably better because he has equal...", I stopped reading.
Then I kept reading out of morbid curiosity.
Super senses haven't stopped him getting beat by Deadpool before. Go ask Daredevil how useful super senses are against a man who can scramble them at will. He knows just how much super senses matter against Deadpool. Not to mention, he's immortal.
Wolverine has better feats because he's more loved and has greater writer backing. There's no indication that, having fought the people Wolverine has, Deadpool couldn't do as well.
Wolverine certainly isn't better than Deadpool by any clear margin, if he is at all. Not in one-on-one anyway, despite what Battlehammer would have you believe. He claims to have read every fight between the two and still says Deadpool hae never equalled Wolverine, which is clearly and factually untrue.
Besides, Wolverine is "unquestionably" better? As in, nobody can question it?
Get out of here with that bull. Go buff his claws or something.
-AC
Originally posted by Badabing
AC, you do realize that we mainly go off of feats for tiers and not H2H battles or potential, right? That's why Superman his a high herald while Zod and Sentry are mid heralds.
I'm not arguing for Deadpool to mid-Meta anymore. I made my case, discussed with Digi and now accept where he is. It doesn't retract anything from him.
My issue is with Wolverine fans acting like the man has every advancement over Deadpool when he's been beaten by him in hand-to-hand combat.
His feats are greater, that's all. Given the same opponents and writer bias...and selling power, Deadpool could probably do the same. Either way, he's in the same catagory as Wolverine here.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAh, I got ya now. I posted earlier that all things being equal, DP and Wolvey are very close to even. Just wasn't sure if you knew how the tier works...you've been absent for a while. lol
I'm not arguing for Deadpool to mid-Meta anymore. I made my case, discussed with Digi and now accept where he is. It doesn't retract anything from him.My issue is with Wolverine fans acting like the man has every advancement over Deadpool when he's been beaten by him in hand-to-hand combat.
His feats are greater, that's all. Given the same opponents and writer bias...and selling power, Deadpool could probably do the same. Either way, he's in the same catagory as Wolverine here.
-AC
LOL AC makes me chuckle.
So let me get this straight the reasoning for DP to be moved up a tier is that he beaten wolverine? For starters beating a single opponent does not make you rises in tier if it did omega red would have moved up a long time ago. Now as for AC reasoning that DP beat wolverine, now though it true wolverine has lost to DP it never been due to DP abilities, but rather other circumstances. For instances wolverine lack of a healing factor, or one sided prep given to DP by weapon x such as tranq designed to take Wolverine out. There a huge differences in ones ability to beat another compared to out side prep and a character lack of powers during a fight.
Before this gets out of hand, I'm putting a stop to it. Wolverine isn't up for discussion, and DP isn't anymore. Therefore, it has no place in this thread. PM each other, take it to a vs. battle where it belongs, I don't care. But any further posts here about the two will be deleted, and will likely be accompanied with a warning.