I would like to call a vote for DP Tyrant to be moved off the Trans list. Here are my reasons why.....
I think the reasons speak for themselves... We'll leave alone the owning of High Heralds and Mid Heralds with ease including many One shots. We'll focus on his two other encounters against Thanos and Galactus.
In Thanos we have a fellow Trans level character who he engaged in battle One v One. While I feel Thanos could be considered above Trans which would make the case even stronger we'll consider him trans only for this topic. Tyrant got the better of a fellow trans character with out too much difficulty. A trans character some say was boosted by the orb which would put his power levels even higher. Regardless, he still made somebody of Thanos power and character admit he would've died had he not left earlier. Now we have rarely seen Thanos admit to not being able to hang and somebody being far superior to him. In his battle with a top notch Sky Father... he never once thought about leaving or referenced he should or he would die. That was also pre a few upgrades for Thanos and he still was fighting Odin for more panels and never back down. So, a fellow Trans (or higher and maybe amped in some eyes) level character in Thanos was clearly inferior to Tyrant. So, then how could Tyrant be on the same Trans level?
Moving on to Galactus and where the scales imo are really tipped. We have in Galactus a character that is well above even Skyfather level in terms of power. During their confrontation, Galactus was WELL-FED and prepped for his battle against Tyrant. He knew it was coming and fed on a planet especially ripe with nutrients and even comments how he hasn't felt this strong in ages. So, clearly we have a Galactus well fed and prepped. Galactus feeding, even seemed to weakened Tyrant from his own words. Thus, we could infer that Tyrant was actually a little weaker and not at full strength. Regardless, during the course of the battle they exchanged blows and clearly Tyrant was able to hang with Galactus. Galactus own words before the battle make clear he'd really rather not fight Tyrant because of the damage it would cause. That speaks volumes to what level Galactus felt Tyrant was at and the fight shows that exact same thing. After then exchange Galactus decides he really can't put Tyrant down easily and decides to use other measures which fail. In the end it's clear Tyrant has gotten the better of Galactus and he had to be saved from Tyrant as he was clearly losing. So, how then can somebody basically own a Abstract level character who was well fed and prepped along with all his other feats and still be in the Trans tier?
So, those are my reasons why Tyrant should be removed from the Trans list and I would like to see some other opinions and votes on the matter. Thanks
Kurupt, the Tyrant on the list is the depowered version, not the one that went toe to toe with Galactus.
Odin is the general consensus for "above Trans" and Thanos is not above him by any stretch of the word, either head-to-head or by feats, since his only Skyfather+ feats have come with some artifact or other.
Those are your two big points for Tyrant, and one is simply false because it's a different version. The other is a valid opinion, but is disagreed with by most.
Originally posted by Digi
Kurupt, the Tyrant on the list is the depowered version, not the one that went toe to toe with Galactus.Odin is the general consensus for "above Trans" and Thanos is not above him by any stretch of the word, either head-to-head or by feats, since his only Skyfather+ feats have come with some artifact or other.
Those are your two big points for Tyrant, and one is simply false because it's a different version. The other is a valid opinion, but is disagreed with by most.
No he went one v one against Galactus in his DP form and got the better of him. So, what exactly are you talking about saying he only fought him once? He fought him twice, one in his orginal form and once in his DP form. In his DP form he got the better of Big G and Galactus needed help to defeat Tyraht. So, how can Tyrant still be on the Trans list if that is the case? Please explain how he can own Galactus and own Thanos a fellow Trans character alone with all those heralds and still be Trans?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Kurupt is trying to vote for Tyrant off the list, then I'm against.Though that debate was quelled a while ago, so it should not even be up for vote.
So please explain why the points I made aren't valid and why you think he should remain? Please I would love to hear this... Or are you just going to claim that is your opinion and not say what your basing it on?
Originally posted by Digi
Kurupt, the Tyrant on the list is the depowered version, not the one that went toe to toe with Galactus.Odin is the general consensus for "above Trans" and Thanos is not above him by any stretch of the word, either head-to-head or by feats, since his only Skyfather+ feats have come with some artifact or other.
Those are your two big points for Tyrant, and one is simply false because it's a different version. The other is a valid opinion, but is disagreed with by most.
He had another inconclusive fight with Galactus. Tyrant cut Galan with his claws, then Galactus put him in a machine which backfired. Great fight, innit? Galactus can be hurt physically and manages to forget about Tyrant's powers. I guess that whole Cosmic Awareness and abstract thing doesn't work too well when you're fightin' the Tyrantz!
Dumbest shti I ever read, but the Tyrant fans like to hang on to the hope that Tyrant is actually stronger than Galactus, even when depowered.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He had another inconclusive fight with Galactus. Tyrant cut Galan with his claws, then Galactus put him in a machine which backfired. Great fight, innit? Galactus can be hurt physically and manages to forget about Tyrant's powers. I guess that whole Cosmic Awareness and abstract thing doesn't work too well when you're fightin' the Tyrantz!Dumbest shti I ever read, but the Tyrant fans like to hang on to the hope that Tyrant is actually stronger than Galactus, even when depowered.
So, yes you concede that Tyrant basically owned Galactus and yet should still be on the Trans list. Your forgetting that Tyrant also has cosmic awareness not just Galactus. So, again Kris please explain by you feel Tyrant should still be on the Trans list?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, yes you concede that Tyrant basically owned Galactus and yet should still be on the Trans list. Your forgetting that Tyrant also has cosmic awareness not just Galactus. So, again Kris please explain by you feel Tyrant should still be on the Trans list?
Everything you've posted about Tyrant has been accusatory in tone. Show some respect and you'll be more likely to have your opinion heard out.
And no, for the record, I still think anyone Thanos can stalemate is Trans. He certainly didn't look pretty after the fight, but it was exactly that: a stalemate. Thanos too has injured Big G briefly. Hell, as has Thor...dude's not invincible.
Originally posted by Digi
Everything you've posted about Tyrant has been accusatory in tone. Show some respect and you'll be more likely to have your opinion heard out.And no, for the record, I still think anyone Thanos can stalemate is Trans. He certainly didn't look pretty after the fight, but it was exactly that: a stalemate. Thanos too has injured Big G briefly. Hell, as has Thor...dude's not invincible.
Ummm first of all I've never had an encounter with you and show the mods around here respect. I simply made a thread to discuss this matter because I thought awhile back you said that was the best approach and just the calling for a vote part would be in the tiers thread. So, I made a thread and your the one who came across with a upset/arrogant/dismissive tone. Go look at the thread and review what your now accusing me of. Your response wasn't warranted as I wasn't trying to be "above" anybody or thinking "I deserve my own thread" I show respect and you deserve the same. Especially when I just thought that is what I was suppose to do.. I was talking crap or spamming just thought that is what you said to do. That warranted your response... I think not
Furthermore, please explain how Thanos stalemated Tyrant. If you count actual blows and wrestling Tyrant came out on top. Yes thanos did well but Tyrant still was ahead. To further prove who was superior and the difference in power... Thanos left and said if he would've stayed Tyrant would have killed him. Tell me Digi how does that not illustrate Tyrant being superior. How often has Thanos said that... not very often. Shoot even against Odin, a skyfather, and a weaker thanos, never backed down from Odin or said he would've died. So, tell me how that doesn't indicate how far above Thanos is Tyrant.
Then you say Thanos has affected Galactus so what is your point.. Really Digi? Thanos blasted Galactus and while impressive and shows Thanos power... Galactus came back to basically own Thanos and make him plead to hear him out. Tyrant never did any such thing and had Galactus hurt and needing outside help to survive the encounter. Huge difference that I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Lastly, you didn't even know about the second encounter in which a DP Tyrant who we are discussing, basically worked over a well fed and prepped Galactus. So, then tell me how does that not show what level of power Tyrant is at? Galactus even backed down from Tyrant earlier in the thread not wanting to fight him because he knew the collateral damage it would cause the universe. So, then how does him beating Thanos (Trans) and Galactus (Abstract) and all those heralds (high and mid) with many one shots show he is well above Trans.
Originally posted by Digi
Everything you've posted about Tyrant has been accusatory in tone. Show some respect and you'll be more likely to have your opinion heard out.And no, for the record, I still think anyone Thanos can stalemate is Trans. He certainly didn't look pretty after the fight, but it was exactly that: a stalemate. Thanos too has injured Big G briefly. Hell, as has Thor...dude's not invincible.
The invisible woman punched a huge hole through Galactus' chest and BRB broke his "tentacles" or something.
Like he told invisible woman and like we saw in the cosmic trial of Reed Richards, Galactus is above physical harm and has a million different shapes. If his appearance is dictated by the person who's perceiving him, how can cutting off a limb, taking out an eye or shooting his body make any difference? 🙂
"Tell me, Digi..."
"Tell me, how does....?"
"So explain to me how...."
"Really Digi?"
"Tell me, Digi..."
Those types of repeated challenges, yes, are accusatory. I'm surprised I have to spell it out for you. Something doesn't have to be an overt insult to be an improper tone. So I'll repeat, soften your tone.
You also did know about this thread and proper procedure for debating characters, so I don't take back the closure of your initial thread about Tyrant, nor anything that was said. There is a proper procedure, and you ignored it. It's no different than ignoring any other rule.
If you have any further concerns, PM me, because we've gone far enough off topic that I'd rather get back to character discussion. Otherwise, stop the backseat moderating by telling me what I should and shouldn't be doing.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The invisible woman punched a huge hole through Galactus' chest and BRB broke his "tentacles" or something.Like he told invisible woman and like we saw in the cosmic trial of Reed Richards, Galactus is above physical harm and has a million different shapes. If his appearance is dictated by the person who's perceiving him, how can cutting off a limb, taking out an eye or shooting his body make any difference? 🙂
I'm waiting for you to disprove anything I said in my post as to why depowered Tyrant should be moved.
question...
1. You agree Thanos is at least Trans level correct?
2. You agree Thanos admitted to being inferior to Tyrant correct? Even claiming he would have died had he stayed. So, are you saying that doesn't show a clear difference in power in Thanos's mind? Furth more, did Thanos think about leaving, giving up or saying he would've died in his much longer battle with Odin? I'm sure you agree Odin is a Skyfather... and yet a pre-upgraded/weaker version of Thanos never thought about leaving or backing down or thinking he would've died had he stayed correct? So, that to you prove nothing in power levels between Thanos and Tyrant. Please you know it does admit it.
3. Your piss poor references about some of Galactus low showings are amusing at best. You should know better then that Kris but I'll humor you.. You read the the fight between DP Tyrant and Galactus right? So, you should know this wasn't about physical harm only was it. Tyrant was basically draining Galactus not physically harming him. The both feed on planets to satisfy their hunger... When now Tyrant was feeding on Galactus not just physically harming him. You can't see the difference in the two.. Really? I'm sure you can the question is will you admit. It's quite clear Galactus was in a lot more danger and needed to be saved against DP Tyrant then he was against Sue lol haha.
So, please I want to hear your answers to these questions... Maybe you'll be honest
Originally posted by Digi
"Tell me, Digi...""Tell me, how does....?"
"So explain to me how...."
"Really Digi?"
"Tell me, Digi..."
Those types of repeated challenges, yes, are accusatory. I'm surprised I have to spell it out for you. Something doesn't have to be an overt insult to be an improper tone. So I'll repeat, soften your tone.
You also did know about this thread and proper procedure for debating characters, so I don't take back the closure of your initial thread about Tyrant, nor anything that was said. There is a proper procedure, and you ignored it. It's no different than ignoring any other rule.
If you have any further concerns, PM me, because we've gone far enough off topic that I'd rather get back to character discussion. Otherwise, stop the backseat moderating by telling me what I should and shouldn't be doing.
So, then lets get back to discussing Characters as you say... What is wrong about what I've been saying about Dp Tyrant? His fight with Thanos and Thanos's own words speak to a clear difference in power right? That is undisputable. The fight with Galactus and his own words speak to Tyrant being a clear worth opponent. If Tyrant can get the better of a well-fed and prepped Galactus (abstract) along with all the other people he beat easily.. that doesn't speak towards him being about Trans Digi?