KMC Comic Book Tiers

I'm trying to understand how Gamora and Karate Kid can be so high if the list is nothing BUT individual matchups. If actual power matters here and not their combat prowess, then how in the world can Karate Kid be higher than Wolverine? Or Captain America? Hasn't Cap toppled much stronger opponents? KK was able to make Superman feel his punches. Cap hurt Thor and the Destroyer. How can Cap still be high street when Karate Kid isn't?

If pure power is all that seems to matter here, then that should extend to all characters.

If they simply don't have the feats then why would it be a status issue?

Originally posted by Creshosk
If they simply don't have the feats then why would it be a status issue?

by status, i meant that if cap battled BP they would likely be exceptionally close. if we give BP is armor and standard gear the fight could pretty much go either way. and BP has many very good feats (he took out IM not too long ago as a recent example), but sheer quantity of feats really isn't fair for the obvious reason that someone like mr t and BP simply haven't the appearances to match cap or bats. so logically, i think we could agree that BP/bats/cap are all pretty damn close. moving cap and bats up and leaving bp behind would create a perceived difference that i don't think is accurate, but that is created rather by the quantity of feats.

does that make sense?

But that doesn't matter evidently, since the list isn't based on VS matchups. It's based on power. And when Batman can match the power output of Low Metas, what would it matter how he fares in a fight?

Kris said what I was thinking. It does state in the rules that lower tier characters can still beat some of the higher tier ones.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But that doesn't matter evidently, since the list isn't based on VS matchups. It's based on power. And when Batman can match the power output of Low Metas, what would it matter how he fares in a fight?

it's a valid question, but i think the list needs to be tempered with common sense. there is no neat-and-simple formula for placing someone. placement is a culmination of things and how they do in match-ups DOES play a role. it may not be the biggest role, but it does factor in--or should.

that's why KK is so high up--his feats and common sense together with how he has fared against some really powerful people, all dictate his placement in high meta. it's not perfect, certainly not a science, but it's all we have.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Kris said what I was thinking. It does state in the rules that lower tier characters can still beat some of the higher tier ones.

absolutely, but certain power match-ups will ALWAYS dictate that possibility. that's why it's so hard to place certain characters. blink is one, nightcrawler, shadowcat. they all have unique powersets that allow them to beat people well above them if used to their fullest. again, i don't think we can use just 1 criterion. it needs to be a accretion of feats + battles + common sense. at least imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's a valid question, but i think the list needs to be tempered with common sense. there is no neat-and-simple formula for placing someone. placement is a culmination of things and how they do in match-ups DOES play a role. it may not be the biggest role, but it does factor in--or should.

that's why KK is so high up--his feats and common sense together with how he has fared against some really powerful people, all dictate his placement in high meta. it's not perfect, certainly not a science, but it's all we have.

But Cap has fared just as well against people who are just as high, if not higher. And he has an incredible shield. How can you gauge skill and claim that Karate Kid has more of 'em? They're physically equal, though Cap has also survived hits from more powerful beings than KK seemingly has.

So how is KK below? Cap checks out in all areas. He's taken on and affected just as strong characters, has more feats and they're both human.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But Cap has fared just as well against people who are just as high, if not higher. And he has an incredible shield. How can you gauge skill and claim that Karate Kid has more of 'em? They're physically equal, though Cap has also survived hits from more powerful beings than KK seemingly has.

So how is KK below? Cap checks out in all areas. He's taken on and affected just as strong characters, has more feats and they're both human.

i'm not sure about that blaze. kk has some crazy feats--depending on which incarnation we're talking about. dude has caused earthquakes with his hands and matched speed and harmed superman-level guys. in fact, he's defeated guys who can match kryptonians. kk's just . . . silly tbh, but his feats seem to justify his placement, imo. it's his offense that seperates him from cap and bats i think.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure about that blaze. kk has some crazy feats--depending on which incarnation we're talking about. dude has caused earthquakes with his hands and matched speed and harmed superman-level guys. in fact, he's defeated guys who can match kryptonians. kk's just . . . silly tbh, but his feats seem to justify his placement, imo. it's his offense that seperates him from cap and bats i think.

Why are you listing feats I just listed? It's like. I just said that KK almost hurt Superman and that Cap hurt Thor. We don't need to hear it again like 🙂

Regardless, you're not referring to that joke from For Tomorrow? Who was being destroyed by Superman and temporarily stopped Supergirl?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why are you listing feats I just listed? It's like. I just said that KK almost hurt Superman and that Cap hurt Thor. We don't need to hear it again like 🙂

Regardless, you're not referring to that joke from For Tomorrow? Who was being destroyed by Superman and temporarily stopped Supergirl?

cap matching speed with thor isn't the same as kk matching speeds with superman. and again, kk can hit hard enough to cause earthquakes--cap . . . can't. he can cause thor some discomfort, but he has no chance to ko thor. kk at his best otoh HAS ko'd beings on superman's level. there have been so many versions of kk though, thta i'm speaking only of the best one. other versions WOULD be in cap's tier.

and i think i like the crotchety blaze better than the happy-smilie-face blaze. 😛

Originally posted by leonidas
cap matching speed with thor isn't the same as kk matching speeds with superman. and again, kk can hit hard enough to cause earthquakes--cap . . . can't. he can cause thor some discomfort, but he has no chance to ko thor. kk at his best otoh HAS ko'd beings on superman's level. there have been so many versions of kk though, thta i'm speaking only of the best one. other versions WOULD be in cap's tier.

Here's my suggestions...

Thanos down 1, Add Odin to Sub-Skyfather, Apocalypse up at least 1, Ronan the Accuser down 1, Cyclops down 1, Thing down 1, Colossus down 1, Havok down 1, Mr. Fantastic down 1, Human Torch down 1, Invisible Woman down 1, Deadpool, Deathstroke the Terminator, Spider-man, Wolverine, and Sabretooth up 1.

Originally posted by wolfpack86
Add Odin to Sub-Skyfather [/B]

Add the character that practically defines the skyfather tier to.. sub- skyfather?

😐

Originally posted by Creshosk
😐

Add the character that practically defines the skyfather tier to.. [b]sub- skyfather?

😐 [/B]

Well when you have Superboy Prime, Tyrant, and HP Doomsday their...

Whatever, just make a higher tier. 👆

Originally posted by Creshosk
So.. that's Jubilee to which tier? She hasn't been placed just yet.

And what's with Omega Red?

The guys a walking team wrecker who has yet to lose more than what... several fights outside of plot devices... We've seen him trash everyone from low to high and in-between and do it quite easily on a number of those occasions, the guy should be somewhere in the high meta area.

More changes...

Add Rulk to High Herald, Move Sentry up 1

wolfpack what ur vote for omega red? do you vote for him to remain at were he is or to be moved up.

Me, jinzin, cres, batdude for moving omega red up

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wolfpack what ur vote for omega red? do you vote for him to remain at were he is or to be moved up.

Me, jinzin, cres, batdude for moving omega red up

If characters like, Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Human Torch, and Colossus are High Meta. Yeah, Omega Red up 1

That's five for Omega Red up.