KMC Comic Book Tiers

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus485 pages
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you're doing one on one comparisons rather than overall powerlevel?

Not one on one comparison, I simply looked over the top street level tier, and Batman was right at the top with Ultimate Captain America and the others. If we take into account his equipment, then I can see a move being warranted it as he has the best fire power in his tier.

Of course, Nightwing's standing then comes into question.

And why is Ultimate Captain America, not low tier? That dude should definitely be in that category.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not one on one comparison, I simply looked over the top street level tier, and Batman was right at the top with Ultimate Captain America and the others.
Did you happen to notice that the characters are sorted alphabetically within their tier levels?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If we take into account his equipment, then I can see a move being warranted it as he has the best fire power in his tier.
Since Iron Man's factors into his why not Batman's?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course, Nightwing's standing then comes into question.

And why is Ultimate Captain America, not low tier? That dude should definitely be in that category.

I'm not as familiar with them. But I do know that Batman would have more experience than Nghtwing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you happen to notice that the characters are sorted alphabetically within their tier levels?

That I did. Lol.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Since Iron Man's factors into his why not Batman's?

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not as familiar with them. But I do know that Batman would have more experience than Nghtwing.

Well, at this point yes he would.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because I said so.

Excellent reason... baka

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yet his been harmed by other human beings has he not? I mean by that definition, wouldn't Captain America's shield also allow him to survive inhumanly powerful blows even from beings like Thor with the Odin Force and it's part of his equipment. How that effect his standing?

The type of feats where he's harmed by people who don't have superhuman strength are extremely rare. Especially nowadays with the type of armor he's packing.

Has Arsenal purposely cause an explosion within the room they're trapped within in order to escape. Batman's triple weaven kevlar cape is able to protect both of them from being harmed to Arsenal's surprise.

http://img44.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-21776/loc204/566_batarmor4.jpg
http://img178.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-25225/loc43/63353_batarmor5_122_43lo.jpg

Destroys a laboratory while he's still inside and comes out unharmed.

http://img17.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-6428/loc24/f38_batarmor12a.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-11066/loc24/208_batarmor12b.jpg

Is caught by surprise with a bomb being detonated while he's still in the building with it. Yet he walks out unfazed from the explosion although somewhat on fire.

http://img46.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3645/loc208/c0d_batarmor_pre3.jpg
http://img181.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10801/loc25/21505_batarmor1_122_25lo.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-23310/loc815/21529_batarmor2_122_815lo.jpg

Armor withstands attacks from an OMAC drone with no damage done to it even with the drone using protocols/weaponary designed soley to defeat Batman.

http://img46.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3645/loc271/1a5_batsuit7.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-2674/loc139/492_batsuit8.jpg

etc. etc.

Anyway, Batman has TONS of feats like that under his belt (no pun intended).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Looking at the beings listed in that category, what that qualify Nightwing for a vote to low meta? As I recall, his arsenal is pretty extensive as well.

It's not on the level of Batman's, plus his suit isn't as durable. He's also not on Bruce's level physically, and isn't as skilled.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Batman fits perfectly into that category, along with Nightwing.

Not really.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Batman deserves a move up, how that affect Grayson. What about Ultimate Captain America? That dude has ridiculous feats all around.

I could care less about Ultimate Captain America, considering we're not talking about him right now.

^ 77.7% of those links are dead.

Interesting. They all work for me...

I'll probably change them over to imageshack.

Has Arsenal purposely cause an explosion within the room they're trapped within in order to escape. Batman's triple weaven kevlar cape is able to protect both of them from being harmed to Arsenal's surprise.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9867/bat1v.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3070/bat2g.jpg

Destroys a laboratory while he's still inside and comes out unharmed.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4638/bat3.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9493/bat4h.jpg

Is caught by surprise with a bomb being detonated while he's still in the building with it. Yet he walks out unfazed from the explosion although somewhat on fire.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5025/bat5.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2936/bat6.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5993/bat7.jpg

Armor withstands attacks from an OMAC drone with no damage done to it even with the drone using protocols/weaponary designed soley to defeat Batman.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2135/bat8k.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1584/bat9.jpg

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Better?

^ Yes I can see all of them now.

+1 for Jubes up. Her ability is massively destructive, there shouldn't even be a question there. Whether she resorts to CIS a large percentage of the time shouldn't downgrade what she's capible of doing at her best which is definitely a step up or two from where she's placed. **** look what she did to Death.

Originally posted by jinzin
+1 for Jubes up. Her ability is massively destructive, there shouldn't even be a question there. Whether she resorts to CIS a large percentage of the time shouldn't downgrade what she's capible of doing at her best which is definitely a step up or two from where she's placed. **** look what she did to Death.
So.. that's Jubilee to which tier? She hasn't been placed just yet.

In that case, shall we be moving Mr. Terrific, Black Panther and both Captain Americas up to low meta?

Originally posted by batdude123
Excellent reason... baka

It should be reason enough. uhuh

Originally posted by batdude123
The type of feats where he's harmed by people who don't have superhuman strength are extremely rare. Especially nowadays with the type of armor he's packing.

Extremely rare? It's shown when facing someone of decent worth, he can be harmed by them.

I believe I've seen a street punk hurt him in the past.

Originally posted by batdude123
Has Arsenal purposely cause an explosion within the room they're trapped within in order to escape. Batman's triple weaven kevlar cape is able to protect both of them from being harmed to Arsenal's surprise.

http://img44.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-21776/loc204/566_batarmor4.jpg
http://img178.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-25225/loc43/63353_batarmor5_122_43lo.jpg

Destroys a laboratory while he's still inside and comes out unharmed.

http://img17.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-6428/loc24/f38_batarmor12a.jpg
http://img109.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-11066/loc24/208_batarmor12b.jpg

Is caught by surprise with a bomb being detonated while he's still in the building with it. Yet he walks out unfazed from the explosion although somewhat on fire.

http://img46.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3645/loc208/c0d_batarmor_pre3.jpg
http://img181.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10801/loc25/21505_batarmor1_122_25lo.jpg
http://img40.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-23310/loc815/21529_batarmor2_122_815lo.jpg

Armor withstands attacks from an OMAC drone with no damage done to it even with the drone using protocols/weaponary designed soley to defeat Batman.

http://img46.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-3645/loc271/1a5_batsuit7.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-2674/loc139/492_batsuit8.jpg

etc. etc.

Anyway, Batman has TONS of feats like that under his belt (no pun intended).

Those don't work. Just saying. Also didn't the OMAC temporarily knock him out. Just saying.

You haven't shown me anything I haven't seen before really. I know Batman's cape and cowl are all extremely durable. It's always been portrayed to be that way. Hell, Batman's taken chairs/tables to the back of the head, and not even flinched.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's not on the level of Batman's, plus his suit isn't as durable. He's also not on Bruce's level physically, and isn't as skilled.

Still pretty impressive, and his suit is extremely durable as well. His not as strong, and not as skilled, but I recall him being stated faster and more agile/acrobatic. Different types of fighting really.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not really.

Well, we some of the characters we have there, then either he does or more people than Batman warrant a move.

Originally posted by batdude123
I could care less about Ultimate Captain America, considering we're not talking about him right now.

I know your touchy when it comes to Batman, but no need to be rude. schmoll

Well I don't know why Cresh wigged out and decided to talk trash and run but meh...

Anyway, could someone else please answer the question posed? What qualifies Jubilee for Mid-Mid Meta? She trashed a house which definitely says something, but does it really seem like a mid meta accomplishment with guys like Batman carrying C4, Slade carrying grenades that can KO Superboy, Gambit being able to KO Gladiator with a deck of cards, and Ironfist destroying trains? I know that those are one time feats for the characters, but how many times has Jubilee blown up a house? Cresh did mention something about a warehouse and that might be close, but I looked through this thread and the respect thread and couldn't find a scan so I can't really say whether or not it's comparable(since other factors might have been involved). She's also got that joint feat with Gambit, but he was in on the feat too and he's in Low Meta category. Her's might have been the blast that Wolverine spotted, but her blast seem like light shows and Gambit's blast pretty much just blow things around so of course her blast was the one that he noticed visibly. And other than those feats, she doesn't really have anything to her credit that even approaches Mid-Meta in impressiveness(at least that I've seen after looking through this and her respect thread).

People are saying that she straddles the line between the two tiers and maybe she does, but in those situations where the character fits between two tiers status becomes a factor and Jubilee never seemed to have much. Think about it, in those situations where she'd be pared with someone like Wolverine or Gambit(both Low Meta characters), how often would she be portrayed as the powerhouse of the team? I know her time on the X-Men was eariler in her career, but was she ever portrayed as a powerhouse in comparison to ANYONE in the Low Meta tier?

And just for the record, I'd be all for bumping Batman up. I mean he's got a lot of firepower(including high explosives) and versatility, he's got some kick ass armor that can take Hell of a beating, and he's one of the most consistently effective characters in combat regardless of how powerful his opponent is. But think about this, despite his having ALL that going for him, most of us are still only talking about bumping him up to Low Meta. And who does she really seem closer to someone like Batman, Gambit, or Dagger, or someone like Electro, Ms. Marvel, or the Ghost Rider?

I know the votes are already there so people don't really have to debate that want her placed at Mid, but the girl hasn't done anything solid to warrant the placement. Right now people are naming characters left and right that should be moved up just because of the likelihood of her being placed at Mid-Mid Meta. How can people see it as an accurate placement if it requires so much change in the current list?

I was always under the impression that you needed some kind of super-human powers in order to make it into the meta tier? Iron-Man, excluded. Batman definitely has feats that can top most of the people in low-meta, but him, is the kind who performs well in matchups and individual fights but not so much for overall power.

But yeah, I can support Batman going up a notch.

and I agree with Goob.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I was always under the impression that you needed some kind of super-human powers in order to make it into the meta tier?

Karate Kid. So no, it's not an absolutely requirement.

Also, Batman's belt has many cool feats, but how many of those things have recurring roles, enough to be considered standard? That's the problem with that. If we include every little gadget that has made a cameo appearance for him, he's probably mid. But if include only those things that we know he always has in his belt, we're down to much, much fewer bells and whistles. If anyone can produce documentation of what would be considered standard for him, it would make things easier.

I also agree with Goob.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
After that, someone who was able to match Zoom just fine, Bart Allen as the Flash, was written as way below Wally West.

Erm...Barry didn't match Zolomon Zoom? That was the original Professor Zoom.

I'd vote for Wally being in the HH category, because I think he can do well against most in that category. Problem is that Zoom's also in that category, and Zoom was shown to be thoroughly above Flash...And I wouldn't put Zoom in the trans tier to compensate for that. *shrug*

Against Batman for low meta, btw.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
In that case, shall we be moving Mr. Terrific, Black Panther and both Captain Americas up to low meta?

and when i initially made up the tier, THAT is exactly why i left them all at low meta. 😬

no doubt about it--moving someone like bats could certainly lead to a domino effect. in all honesty, i think all 3 of those guys could be low meta, but leaving them where they are--and bats as well--might be the simplest thing. if bats moves, we'll likley need to shift these others. all depends on how much shuffling we feel like doing i suppose.

one other thing--sometimes it seems people can get pretty heated or defensive about someone being 'supposedly' misplaced. the list is NOT perfect--it can NEVER be perfect, but it IS a work in progress and on the whole i think it is at least pretty good. just remember--it's OUR list and i think we've done all right with it. even if someone may be somewhere you think they shouldn't be, there are no really egregious errors (i don't think) and it IS just a rough gauge.

Those guys don't have enough to challenge Batman in a feat war.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Those guys don't have enough to challenge Batman in a feat war.

BP and terrific, certainly not. cap otoh likely COULD go feat for feat. if we elevate cap and not the others, then status is likely the cause.

to me, it seems if one goes, they should probably all go. 😬