KMC Comic Book Tiers

(Transcendent)

Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jenny Sparks, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl, Enchantress

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger

I just quoted the list from Val a few pages back to put down BA and CM as well as help Val by putting the tags back in.

I also put BM 1Mill down to Meta

By the way I would just like to add some stuff to this.

The fact is BA and CM are weaker than Supes no question about it. They are also below the like of Hal and Kyle. The fact is the High-Herald is meant to be the biggest and the baddest heralds there are. Its for the guys like Silver Surfer, Thor, GL(Hal or Kyle), and Superman.

At some point we are gonna have to have a very distinct line between High and Mid and I think since CM and BA are already lower than most of the guys then they should become that barrier. You'll be hard pressed to find a better limit in terms of distinct power level than them for Mid-Level.

Originally posted by manorastroman
going back forty pages or so, i still think a tier between transcendent and high herald should be added. it would end all this conflict...the best of midherald could be moved up (black adam, wonderwoman, captain marvel, beta ray bill) and the lower end of highherald could stay (sentry/void, adam warlock, cyborg superman), while the cream of the high herald moves up (superman, thor, silver surfer, etc.).

eh?

am i insane? can someone tell me why this isn't a good idea?

Originally posted by manorastroman
am i insane? can someone tell me why this isn't a good idea?

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way I would just like to add some stuff to this.

The fact is BA and CM are weaker than Supes no question about it. They are also below the like of Hal and Kyle. The fact is the High-Herald is meant to be the biggest and the baddest heralds there are. Its for the guys like Silver Surfer, Thor, GL(Hal or Kyle), and Superman.

At some point we are gonna have to have a very distinct line between High and Mid and I think since CM and BA are already lower than most of the guys then they should become that barrier. You'll be hard pressed to find a better limit in terms of distinct power level than them for Mid-Level.

Originally posted by Validus
Agree.

Hmm.

I remove my vote (which was to move them up) and switch it to a staying vote, because I actually agree now I've taken the time to read it over. Their lack of versatility does them in, flying bricks aren't very handy at herald level.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Hmm.

I remove my vote (which was to move them up) and switch it to a staying vote, because I actually agree now I've taken the time to read it over. Their lack of versatility does them in, flying bricks aren't very handy at herald level.

Where would Etrigan go?

Originally posted by Newjak
Sweetness so then that
is 6-6 for them to move up 😛

You suck at counting n00b.

Originally posted by Validus
Skeets made it 6-6. I made it 7-6. V makes it 8-5.

You suck at counting n00b.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Where would Etrigan go?

He's low herald right now. I'm not sure whether that's right or not.

It's fine. The Demon isn't generally portrayed as all that powerful.

Sinestro for High Herald.
Hulk with meditation to Middle Herald....13

Keep Adam and Marvel at mid tier. A single arc in which a character is portrayed higher than his norm is not enough imo to throw them in with the best of the best. That also goes for BRB, my decision changed.

Votes are still in favour of moving BA up.

Originally posted by llagrok
Votes are still in favour of moving BA up.

It was 8-5 to keep him down.

And with His Airness' change of vote I think that makes it 9-4 in favor of keeping BA and CM Mid-Herald

Where would Red son Superman go?

Question:
Why the f*ck is Sentry higher than CM and BA?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Question:
Why the f*ck is Sentry higher than CM and BA?

Very good question. Answer: Because too many people in this thread overrate him and think he's actual on par with those 2 or Superman. There's been, what, 3-4 tries to get him moved down to mid-tier herald where he belongs. 😬