Can you handle the Truth?

Some people are too afraid to look outside their comfy box.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why do you believe that part of scripture though? It contradicts some of the earlier which you said was in accordance with reality and God. I can understand that you could be a jew, believing in God. But why Jesus...

I believe the entire Bible.

Why Jesus? No man ever spoke like Jesus or did the things that Jesus has done. No person has ever died for my sins. No person has ever been beaten to the edge of death for me like Jesus. No person has ever been humiliated in front of multitudes of people for me like Jesus. No person has ever left Heaven's glory and opulence for me like Jesus. No person has ever lived a life of power and love, compassion and wisdom, sinlessness and holiness, selflessness and sacrifice like Jesus. No person who has ever claimed to be God in the flesh ever backed it up with a lifestyle that was consistent with what He claims like Jesus. The Lord Jesus--Who is called the Christ (i.e. Anointed One)--forgave sins, performed miracles, walked on water, spoke to a storm and wind that obeyed Him, raised the dead numerous times, showed compassion for people that were despised in the eyes of other people, associated with sinners that the religious leaders of His day wouldn't dare come into proximity with, respected His parents, loved people, always did those things that pleased His Heavenly Father, gave His life a ransom for the whole world, and paid for the sins of every person who has ever lived (even those have not been born yet). This Jesus Whom the Bible states this about:

John 21:25
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe the entire Bible...

Why?

How is it possible to believe the entire Bible?

Example: It both supports and denounces capital punishment. How do you "believe" something that doesn't agree with itself?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe the entire Bible.

Why Jesus? No man ever spoke like Jesus or did the things that Jesus has done. No person has ever died for my sins. No person has ever been beaten to the edge of death for me like Jesus. No person has ever been humiliated in front of multitudes of people for me like Jesus. No person has ever left Heaven's glory and opulence for me like Jesus. No person has ever lived a life of power and love, compassion and wisdom, sinlessness and holiness, selflessness and sacrifice like Jesus. No person who has ever claimed to be God in the flesh ever backed it up with a lifestyle that was consistent with what He claims like Jesus. The Lord Jesus--Who is called the Christ (i.e. Anointed One)--forgave sins, performed miracles, walked on water, spoke to a storm and wind that obeyed Him, raised the dead numerous times, showed compassion for people that were despised in the eyes of other people, associated with sinners that the religious leaders of His day wouldn't dare come into proximity with, respected His parents, loved people, always did those things that pleased His Heavenly Father, gave His life a ransom for the whole world, and paid for the sins of every person who has ever lived (even those have not been born yet). This Jesus Whom the Bible states this about:

[B]John 21:25
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. [/B]

The following is a list of over 40 saviors who were said to have descended from heaven, taken the form of men, were born of virgins, furnished evidence of their divine origin by various miracles and marvelous works, laid the foundation for salvation, were worshipped as Gods, and crucified:

[list][*]Chrishna of Hindostan

[*]Budha Sakia of India

[*]Salivahana of Bermuda

[*]Zulis and Orus of Egypt

[*]Odin of the Scandinavians

[*]Crite of Chaldea

[*]Baal and Taut of Phoenecia

[*]Indra of Tibet

[*]Bali of Afganistan

[*]Jao of Nepal

[*]Wittoba of the Bilingonese

[*]Thammuz of Syria

[*]Atys of Phrygia

[*]Xamolxis of Thrace

[*]Adad of Assyria

[*]Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam

[*]Alcides of Thebes

[*]Mikado of the Sintoos

[*]Beddru of Japan

[*]Hesus or Eros and Bremrillah of the Druids

[*]Thor of the Gauls

[*]Cadmus and Adonis of Greece

[*]Hil and Feta of the Mandaites

[*]Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico

[*]The Universal Monarch of the Sibyls

[*]Ischy of the island of Formosa

[*]The Divine Teacher of Plato

[*]The Holy One of Xaca

[*]Fohi and Tien of China

[*]Ixion and Quirinus of Rome

[*]Prometheus of Caucasus

[*]Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia[/list]

pwn

^ JIA = Snap! 😆

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The following is a list of over 40 saviors who were said to have descended from heaven, taken the form of men, were born of virgins, furnished evidence of their divine origin by various miracles and marvelous works, laid the foundation for salvation, were worshipped as Gods, and crucified:

[list][*]Chrishna of Hindostan

[*]Budha Sakia of India

[*]Salivahana of Bermuda

[*]Zulis and Orus of Egypt

[*]Odin of the Scandinavians

[*]Crite of Chaldea

[*]Baal and Taut of Phoenecia

[*]Indra of Tibet

[*]Bali of Afganistan

[*]Jao of Nepal

[*]Wittoba of the Bilingonese

[*]Thammuz of Syria

[*]Atys of Phrygia

[*]Xamolxis of Thrace

[*]Adad of Assyria

[*]Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam

[*]Alcides of Thebes

[*]Mikado of the Sintoos

[*]Beddru of Japan

[*]Hesus or Eros and Bremrillah of the Druids

[*]Thor of the Gauls

[*]Cadmus and Adonis of Greece

[*]Hil and Feta of the Mandaites

[*]Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico

[*]The Universal Monarch of the Sibyls

[*]Ischy of the island of Formosa

[*]The Divine Teacher of Plato

[*]The Holy One of Xaca

[*]Fohi and Tien of China

[*]Ixion and Quirinus of Rome

[*]Prometheus of Caucasus

[*]Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia[/list]

At least one should buck the trend and be 'from'.

Like Kevin from Luxembourg.

'Of' gets tedious.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Great job Adam! If only others would look into the roots of their faith! I commend you yet again with your intelligence on this subject.

How many of those "saviors" listed had prophecies written about them that were fulfilled? How many of those religions had prophecies that were fulfilled (and can be verified)?

http://www.blackapologetics.com/bamanswerantiquity.html

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The following is a list of over 40 saviors who were said to have descended from heaven, taken the form of men, were born of virgins, furnished evidence of their divine origin by various miracles and marvelous works, laid the foundation for salvation, were worshipped as Gods, and crucified:

[list][*]Chrishna of Hindostan

[*]Budha Sakia of India

[*]Salivahana of Bermuda

[*]Zulis and Orus of Egypt

[*]Odin of the Scandinavians

[*]Crite of Chaldea

[*]Baal and Taut of Phoenecia

[*]Indra of Tibet

[*]Bali of Afganistan

[*]Jao of Nepal

[*]Wittoba of the Bilingonese

[*]Thammuz of Syria

[*]Atys of Phrygia

[*]Xamolxis of Thrace

[*]Adad of Assyria

[*]Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam

[*]Alcides of Thebes

[*]Mikado of the Sintoos

[*]Beddru of Japan

[*]Hesus or Eros and Bremrillah of the Druids

[*]Thor of the Gauls

[*]Cadmus and Adonis of Greece

[*]Hil and Feta of the Mandaites

[*]Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico

[*]The Universal Monarch of the Sibyls

[*]Ischy of the island of Formosa

[*]The Divine Teacher of Plato

[*]The Holy One of Xaca

[*]Fohi and Tien of China

[*]Ixion and Quirinus of Rome

[*]Prometheus of Caucasus

[*]Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia[/list]

Originally posted by Nellinator
LOL. Research them instead of reading stupid websites. Off the top of my head I can call out Atys, Chrishna, Budha, Indra, Orus, Quexalcote and Baal out as straight out lies. Heck, I'm pretty sure they are discredited immediately on some because of misspelling. You see, you haven't actually researched, nor could you back up any of these claims. You are being a little sheep.

If that not pot calling the kettle black! 😆

So you have nothing? You don't do proper research, post amateur conspiracy crap, and consider yourself the enlightened one?

Originally posted by Nellinator
LOL. Research them instead of reading stupid websites. Off the top of my head I can call out Atys, Chrishna, Budha, Indra, Orus, Quexalcote and Baal out as straight out lies. Heck, I'm pretty sure they are discredited immediately on some because of misspelling. You see, you haven't actually researched, nor could you back up any of these claims. You are being a little sheep.

Can you give background on a few?

Originally posted by Nellinator
So you have nothing? You don't do proper research, post amateur conspiracy crap, and consider yourself the enlightened one?

[list=1][*]You do not know anything about the propriety of the research that went into the post.

[*]The post has nothing to do with a conspiracy of any degree.

[*]I made no claims about myself in the post.[/list]

I am sorry that it upsets you to learn how unoriginal the Christian myth is.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]You do not know anything about the propriety of the research that went into the post.

[*]The post has nothing to do with a conspiracy of any degree.

[*]I made no claims about myself in the post.[/list]

I am sorry that it upsets you to learn how unoriginal the Christian myth is.

Originally posted by chithappens
Can you give background on a few?

First thing first, Horus is not even supposed to be born of a virgin. A relief of his conception shows Isis in falcon form hovering over the penis of old dead Osiris and no legend ever states that is was a virgin birth.

Father? Sorry, but Osiris had other sons.

Royal descent? Wow, he must be the ultimate parallel thumb down I'm descended from royalty too, maybe I'm the second coming thumb down

Mother: Meri, actually no (this is stretching considering Isis is the mother and Meri means beloved as in Osiris's beloved), but that is inconsequential considering that they do not transliterate as such and Mary was such a common name that this is negligible.

Cave/Stable: Ummm no, Horus came from an egg, the rest is fabrication.

Annunciation: sorry but this is simply a lie because Horus's birth wasn't annunciated by anyone in Egyptian mythology. Even better is that there is no such thing as angels in Egyptian mythology.

Birth heralded by: Jesus wasn't heralded by a star = fail.

Birthdate: Jesus wasn't born on December 25 and nobody claims otherwise, so this is an automatic fail.

Birth announcement: straight lie, Horus's birth wasn't announced in Egyptian mythology.

Birth witnesses: Horus's birth wasn't witnessed in Egyptian mythology.

Later witnesses: once again, a lie, besides that, there isn't a specified number of wise men in the Bible so this goes to crap anyways.

Death threat during infancy: Alright, we now have two similar, although this a false change in names because it was Seth that went after Horus and Herut is made up to sound like Herod.

Handling in threat: Not sure about this one, all give it three though.

Rite of passage: these aren't even similar, besides that Horus was an adult at this point and it wasn't a rite of passage.

Age of Ritual: not cited for Horus because it isn't given.

No data between 12&30: invalid see above and two below.

Baptism location: Horus wasn't baptized, closest you'll get in Egyptian mythology is him getting thrown into some water... not nearly the same thing. Eridanus is the modern name of a constellation called "the river." It's Latin.

Age of Baptism: no age given because he wasn't baptized... someone should burn Massey's work because this is getting ridiculous.

Baptized by: wasn't baptized and Anup the Baptizer isn't a name that appears anywhere in Egyptian mythology... hehe Massey made it up that devilish little prankster...

Fate of baptizer: ...there wasn't one

Temptation/Result of temptation: another pure fabrication. There is a good story about Horus being tempted though which I will post for Kali... Horus succumbed to the temptation of his uncle, Seth (in a homosexual affair.) Horus later gets back at him by seducing him (another homosexual affair) and getting Seth pregnant.

Close followers: Horus had 16 close followers and they weren't anything like the disciples = fail.

Activities: actually no, there is absolutely no record of this... it's another of Massey's fabrications.

Horus raised Osiris from the grave: No Isis did = fail.

Location: there is no resurrection rites for Horus because he never died. And the words don't transliterate like that = fail.

Origin of name Lazarus: can you say stretch? Better yet, can you say "they do not transliterate like that".

Transfigured: Horus was not transfigured = fail.

Sermon of the Mount: Horus never did = fail.

Method of death: this is sad and laughable considering crucifixion was a Roman thing. Now what came first? Rome or Egypt? Even better is the fact that in Egyptian mythology Horus doesn't die.

Accompanied by: He never died, besides that, there might have been four thieves on Calvary with Jesus.

Burial: Horus never died = fail.

Fate after death: see above.

Resurrection announced by: see above

Future: No, Horus was the embodiment of the reigning Pharoah, and he has no prescribed future plans anything like this = fail.

"Ward Gasque, a volunteer book reviewer for Amazon.com surveyed twenty contemporary Egyptologists. He asked them about the origins of Jesus' name, the relationship between Horus and Jesus, whether both experienced a virgin birth, and whether the Egyptian religion considered Hourus to be an incarnation of God.

Ten responded, They agreed:
- Jesus' name is a Greek form of a very common Semitic name Jeshu'a, which is normally translated into English as Joshua.
- There is no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, that he had twelve disciples, or that he was considered incarnation of God."

Originally posted by Nellinator
LOL. No, it is quite original.

The list I posted would indicate otherwise.

Originally posted by Nellinator
You haven't done your research so I do know. I can tell by the fact that you made many of those claims.

Not only are you a psychologist, apparently you are omniscient as well.

Originally posted by Nellinator
You see, they aren't spelled right and some are pure fallacies.

ZOMG, you spelled Hanukkah as Chanukah, you don't know what you're talking about!!!111

Originally posted by Nellinator
You see these have been debunked and proven wrong.

By whom? Where?

Originally posted by Nellinator
If you believe the claims of your previous post, you are stupid and not intellectually suited to debate on any forum in a way that can be taken serious.

I do not take debates "serious," I take them seriously. For being "stupid and not intellectually suited to debate on any forum in a way that can be taken serious[ly]," I certainly understand the principles of spelling and grammar, which have clearly escaped you.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The list I posted would indicate otherwise.

Not only are you a psychologist, apparently you are omniscient as well.

ZOMG, you spelled Hanukkah as Chanukah, you don't know what you're talking about!!!111

By whom? Where?

I do not take debates "serious," I take them seriously. For being "stupid and not intellectually suited to debate on any forum in a way that can be taken serious[ly]," I certainly understand the principles of spelling and grammar, which have clearly escaped you.

Not omniscient, just not stupid.

Focus on the pure fallacies part. And as FeceMan mentioned, it is can be reasonably deduced that you copied and pasted a lot of it. Also, I'm you didn't do it yourself as spelling errors are out of character.

You could look at FeceMan's link, or you could fish around and look at the debunking websites that are nearly as common as the crapshooting websites, or better yet, use real scholarly articles from journals that can be considered credible, not the vomit that you have apparently used.

You contradict yourself if you admit to misspelling earlier and then saying that you understand the principles of spelling and grammar. Either you copied and pasted as I suspect, or you actually don't understand spelling. My error was minor and my errors are few in the past. Correcting my grammar is useless and will undoubtedly leave you unsatisfied.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/chap1.html

Chrishna of Hindostan.
Budha Sakia of India.
Salivahana of Bermuda.
Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
Odin of the Scaudinavians.
Crite of Chaldea.
Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
Indra of Thibet.
Bali of Afghanistan.
Jao of Nepaul.
Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
Thammuz of Syria.
Atys of Phrygia.
Xaniolxis of Thrace.
Zoar of the Bonzes.
Adad of Assyria.
Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
Alcides of Thebes.
Mikado of the Sintoos.
Beddru of Japan.
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
Cadmus of Greece.
Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
Divine Teacher of Plato.
Holy One of Xaca.
Fohi and Tien of China.
Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.
Prometheus of Caucasus.
Mohamud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.