Originally posted by Robtard
Babies are sinless, no?
Also, sin is a law or principle that produces death. All of nature is in a fallen or less than optimum state because of sin. There was never supposed to be any death (in anything). Yet, we see all kinds of deformities, illnesses, sicknesses, maladies, infirmities, and diseases. Sin opened the door to these problems. It can be inferred from the Scriptures although there is no chapter and verse for it.
Originally posted by Robtard
1) There is a God, but he isn't the caring Jesus in the sky who once flooded the world and killed everybody, then relied on Noah's family to have incestuous sex as a means of repopulating the planet.2) There isn't a God and it's all just random
3) ???? Use your imagination.
But are those viable explanations?
Originally posted by Storm
This relies heavily upon personal, subjective interpretation. Reaching the conclusion that, when looking at aspects of nature, they could only have come about through the designs and purposes of God is not logically necessary.The mere presence of a bloody knife doesn' t prove that someone was murdered, much less who did it. You have to explain how and why the knife is a connection between the deceased and the defendant. Similarly, the presence of planets, etc. that humans cannot create does not prove that they were created, much less who did the creating.
You are comparing a bloody knife (which is a crude, unsophisticated piece of cutlery) to a complicated universe/world that has numerous coincidences (many of which are just down right fortuitously serendipitous)?
Wow.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are comparing a bloody knife (which is a crude, unsophisticated piece of cutlery) to a complicated universe/world that has numerous coincidences (many of which are just down right fortuitously serendipitous)?Wow.
I wouldn't talk if I were you. I've read plenty of retarded comparisons from you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat is because you are closed minded and stubborn, not to be taken as an insult but it is fact. You can not see any other possible views and that the Bible is 100% correct, not partially but 100% which is so very flawed.
No other possibility is plausible or viable.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are comparing a bloody knife (which is a crude, unsophisticated piece of cutlery) to a complicated universe/world that has numerous coincidences (many of which are just down right fortuitously serendipitous)?Wow.
That wasn't very Christ-like. 😄
However, she does make a good point, imo. The Universe doesn't equate deity based on current theories. Specific properties about the Universe/Multiverse may. A bloody knife does not mean someone was killed. The presences of two types of human DNA, one type on the blade and one type on the handle, may indicate foul play. Do you see how this comparison is very logical? I works well. I bet you could think of dozens.
"That is because you are closed minded and stubborn, not to be taken as an insult but it is fact. You can not see any other possible views and that the Bible is 100% correct, not partially but 100% which is so very flawed."----da pittman
So all Christians are close minded and flawed but any non-Christian is completely logical?
I'm sorry, but it's not wrong for someone to stick up for their faith. What people don't understand is if Christians are wrong, that there is no God and we are all randomly here and when we die, we just die, then that's the way it is. No harm no foul. But if we're right, we have to look forward to a place that promises eternal joy, no more suffering. We have a God that made us and looks out for us, so made up or not, it's still more powerful and wonderful than anything I've ever heard. So I don't see why everyone here is so into destroying the Christian faith. Even if nothing else about religion is valid at all, psychological studies show those with a religious belief system are happier, live longer, have better marriages, and are less likely to suffer from depression.
Originally posted by willofthewispWhere do you get “all” from “you”??? I have no problem with religion or any belief in a higher power or what ever you want to believe to bring comfort or a feeling of belonging, some do this by joining sports some by joining a religion. My comment was directed at JIA and not Christian as a whole, hell my wife is Catholic and I was married in a Catholic church by her grandfather that is the pastor of his own church. JIA has blind faith which I admire such devotion but also pity at the same time.
"That is because you are closed minded and stubborn, not to be taken as an insult but it is fact. You can not see any other possible views and that the Bible is 100% correct, not partially but 100% which is so very flawed."----da pittmanSo all Christians are close minded and flawed but any non-Christian is completely logical?
I'm sorry, but it's not wrong for someone to stick up for their faith. What people don't understand is if Christians are wrong, that there is no God and we are all randomly here and when we die, we just die, then that's the way it is. No harm no foul. But if we're right, we have to look forward to a place that promises eternal joy, no more suffering. We have a God that made us and looks out for us, so made up or not, it's still more powerful and wonderful than anything I've ever heard. So I don't see why everyone here is so into destroying the Christian faith. Even if nothing else about religion is valid at all, psychological studies show those with a religious belief system are happier, live longer, have better marriages, and are less likely to suffer from depression.
As for your last statement where people are supposed to live longer and happier lives because they follow a faith is bunk, the faith has nothing to do with it but a feeling of self worth which can be achieved without religion. I don’t have a problem with personal faith, it is organized religion this is more of an issue and the corruption and deceit that is at the top levels down to the lowly churches. Religion has done much good in this world and much evil, just as people of non-faith has.
As a side note it is really annoying the way you comment people, it makes it hard to read your post from the others. I don’t know why you just don’t use the quote feature and that way if someone wants to read the whole post of the person your quoting they can easily go to it, but that is just my opinion.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Where do you get “all” from “you”??? I have no problem with religion or any belief in a higher power or what ever you want to believe to bring comfort or a feeling of belonging, some do this by joining sports some by joining a religion. My comment was directed at JIA and not Christian as a whole, hell my wife is Catholic and I was married in a Catholic church by her grandfather that is the pastor of his own church. JIA has blind faith which I admire such devotion but also pity at the same time.As for your last statement where people are supposed to live longer and happier lives because they follow a faith is bunk, the faith has nothing to do with it but a feeling of self worth which can be achieved without religion. I don’t have a problem with personal faith, it is organized religion this is more of an issue and the corruption and deceit that is at the top levels down to the lowly churches. Religion has done much good in this world and much evil, just as people of non-faith has.
As a side note it is really annoying the way you comment people, it makes it hard to read your post from the others. I don’t know why you just don’t use the quote feature and that way if someone wants to read the whole post of the person your quoting they can easily go to it, but that is just my opinion.
Have you ever believed or taken the word of someone that you have never seen?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Why are these things wonders when a rock isn't, bacteria isn't or a single cell?
Who ever said they weren't? I can appreciate the beauty of diamonds and rubies. I'm impressed by the mechanical efficiency of a microscopic bacteria that's propelled by thousands of even tinier cilia. And I'm awed by the organization and cooperation of the various parts of a cell.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Who ever said they weren't? I can appreciate the beauty of diamonds and rubies. I'm impressed by the mechanical efficiency of a microscopic bacteria that's propelled by thousands of even tinier cilia. And I'm awed by the organization and cooperation of the various parts of a cell.
Me too.
Originally posted by Devil King
your entire answer is based on that unseen person being "god" and your post history implies that is based entirely on your descision to ignore the impossible because it's come from the bible.
What is your real gripe or hang up relative to the Bible? I want to know how you truly feel on this matter. What if I had said that a martian from outer space wrote the Bible, would you believe it then?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What is your real gripe or hang up relative to the Bible? I want to know how you truly feel on this matter. What if I had said that a martian from outer space wrote the Bible, would you believe it then?
I have zero hang-ups when it comes to the bible. No, I do not believe a martian wrote the bible, any more than I believe some all-knowing god wrote the bible.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Who ever said they weren't? I can appreciate the beauty of diamonds and rubies. I'm impressed by the mechanical efficiency of a microscopic bacteria that's propelled by thousands of even tinier cilia. And I'm awed by the organization and cooperation of the various parts of a cell.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSame.
Me too.