Originally posted by Da Pittman
Bullsh*t, don’t give me that crap and your high and mighty scripture. How you paid money to the black community because your forefathers kept slaves? By your logic and that of the Bible you are guilty of slavery, murder rape and so on because of your forefathers. God is the ultimate dictator and evil sun-of-a-***** ever to have been written by man, you will convict someone of a crime that they didn’t commit and then tell them that you have to prove yourself and do this punishment before you can be found guilty. This doesn’t seem wrong to you???You are one of the most hateful people that I have ever talked to in my life, this is the truth and just because you can not handle the truth doesn’t make it any less real.
I’m not angry at you, I pity you. How can I be angry at something that doesn’t exist so how can I be angry at God? God didn’t do anything, man made the idea of God and man is responsible and those that follow the religion.
“It is like getting angry at someone extending you a life preserver because you don't want to admit that you cannot swim.” 😆 I would be angry because it was God that threw me into the water, so much fail in this analogy. 😆
I didn't give you any Scripture.
How I paid money? Dude, you are making some bizarre assumptions that have nothing to do with this discussion.
God is not covicting you of someone else's crime. Did I not provide some examples of sins and ask you if you had committed any of them? All it takes is for you or anyone else to be guilty of just one sin, and the penalty is death. God holds you accountable for what you have done (personally), did I not make this clear? Yeah Adam messed up and opened the door to sin and death but we are all guilty of our own individual sins. If you have ever lied you cannot say that Adam made you do it. If you have ever committed adultery you cannot lay that charge at Adam's feet. You are responsible for what you have done. That would be like Adam blaming God for the sin that he committed instead of realizing that he made the conscious decision to disobey God. Prison is replete with people who chose to disobey the law. Society did not make them commit crimes. Society made have made it easier for them but it did not control their actions. Well, similarly the sin nature that humanity inherited from Adam may have made us more susceptible to sin, but it did not control our actions or make us sin. Can you see the difference?
No, God did not throw you into the water Adam did, but your own personal sins are keeping you there. God threw you the life preserver and you rejected it. Every day that you reject Jesus is like rejecting the way out of your predicament.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Perception of the truth does. How could anyone know the absolute truth. Truth is ever evolving and not concrete.Truth as an absolute as gods words yet said by man, should be avoided at all costs. It's always tainted.
How could anyone not know the absolute truth? Truth is constant, eternal, unchanging. I believe that God has preserved the integrity of His Word.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveno i dont believe im 100 % right. theres always the possibility im wrong. know why? because you cant prove that god exists. i dont believe in god, because there is literally 0 evidence FOR one. now if such evidence were introduced, id believe in a god, yet i would hate him.
Dear intelligent person, I do not believe that I disdain or have any contempt for those that do not believe as I do. Yes, I am sure that I am right because that is what I am supposed to believe. Don't you believe that you are right about things? This is just the way that it is for believers in Jesus Christ. We should be 100% convinced and committed to what we proclaim or we should not be heralds. You should always be your best customer. I am not selling anything but how can I sell a client something that I do not believe in?Yes, the Bible was written by men (under divine inspiration), years after Jesus' resurrection from the dead. But, what historical inaccuracies are you referring to?
now see it doesnt matter if it was written under divine inspiration. if i was inspired by an artist and then wrote a story about him, that doesnt make it true.
also the bible was written by men. men are fallible, while your supposed god is not. humans can and will be wrong alot of the time. also as many have stated, yourself also i believe, humans cannot truly understand god. so how can you possibly believe humans understood what he wanted them to write? how do you know it wasnt a scam to make money? religious cults do that all the time and it works. christianity is basically a cult, because again without evidence, its nothing more than your imagination
Originally posted by JesusIsAlivewhere in that sentence does it say men are born with sin?? hmmmmmm? i dont see any words refering to BIRTH which is your point. that sentence could mean all men at the time or any number of different things.
[B]Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
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Originally posted by Deja~vu
untrue. If you believe that, then you believe in two different gods.
I believe that I know what you are getting at. You are not alone. Many people perceive that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament is radically different. But He is the same God. God only appears to be different because Jesus had not come on the scene yet so God had to deal with sin the way a righteous God should deal with sin: harshly. But since the sacrificial death of Jesus on behalf of all sinners i.e. all of humanity, God can now extend grace (unmerited favor) to us who ask for it in Jesus Name i.e. those of us who ask for Jesus to save us from our sins. Jesus paid Adam's sin debt and the sin debt of the whole world.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I didn't give you any Scripture.How I paid money? Dude, you are making some bizarre assumptions that have nothing to do with this discussion.
God is not covicting you of someone else's crime. Did I not provide some examples of sins and ask you if you had committed any of them? All it takes is for you or anyone else to be guilty of just one sin, and the penalty is death. God holds you accountable for what you have done (personally), did I not make this clear? Yeah Adam messed up and opened the door to sin and death but we are all guilty of our own individual sins. If you have ever lied you cannot say that Adam made you do it. If you have ever committed adultery you cannot lay that charge at Adam's feet. You are responsible for what you have done. That would be like Adam blaming God for the sin that he committed instead of realizing that he made the conscious decision to disobey God. Prison is replete with people who chose to disobey the law. Society did not make them commit crimes. Society made have made it easier for them but it did not control their actions. Well, similarly the sin nature that humanity inherited from Adam may have made us more susceptible to sin, but it did not control our actions or make us sin. Can you see the difference?
No, God did not throw you into the water Adam did, but your own personal sins are keeping you there. God threw you the life preserver and you rejected it. Every day that you reject Jesus is like rejecting the way out of your predicament.
i gave you to much credit. your not even smart enough to see the contradictions in your own words, much less the bible.
adam SHOULD blame god for his sin. why? god created the snake and had full and complete knowledge of what the snake would do. he could have stopped the snake at any time, or literally go back to the creation of the world and not created the snake, but he wouldnt need too, because he already knew the outcome of creating the snake.
it is ENTIRELY gods fault. adam was merely a scripted character acting out his part with god as the puppet master.
one sin and the penalty is death? really? thats pathetic. id love to try that against god i really would. if my ONLY sin was say, stealing 1 single apple to FEED my family so they wouldnt die, and then i died the next day, id go to hell for protecting my family. your logic is so pathetic it hurts.
god is convicting you of someones crime. if its adams fault that your a "sinner" then its exactly a case of god blaming you for what someone else did.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveuggh yet more completely flawed logic. if god and jesus are one and the same as in the trinity, then god wouldnt change at all. yet he did, meaning that they cant be the same being, or that jesus WASNT the son of god.
I believe that I know what you are getting at. You are not alone. Many people perceive that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament is radically different. But He is the same God. God only appears to be different because Jesus had not come on the scene yet so God had to deal with sin the way a righteous God should deal with sin: harshly. But since the sacrificial death of Jesus on behalf of all sinners i.e. all of humanity, God can now extend grace (unmerited favor) to us who ask for it in Jesus Name i.e. those of us who ask for Jesus to save us from our sins. Jesus paid Adam's sin debt and the sin debt of the whole world.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
i gave you to much credit. your not even smart enough to see the contradictions in your own words, much less the bible.adam SHOULD blame god for his sin. why? god created the snake and had full and complete knowledge of what the snake would do. he could have stopped the snake at any time, or literally go back to the creation of the world and not created the snake, but he wouldnt need too, because he already knew the outcome of creating the snake.
it is ENTIRELY gods fault. adam was merely a scripted character acting out his part with god as the puppet master.
one sin and the penalty is death? really? thats pathetic. id love to try that against god i really would. if my ONLY sin was say, stealing 1 single apple to FEED my family so they wouldnt die, and then i died the next day, id go to hell for protecting my family. your logic is so pathetic it hurts.
god is convicting you of someones crime. if its adams fault that your a "sinner" then its exactly a case of god blaming you for what someone else did.
It is not about what the serpent would do, it is about Adam chose to do. That would be like shooting a person because you do not like him and then blaming the victim for getting shot. The shooter pulled the trigger so the shooter is responsible for his crime not the victim. Adam voluntarily chose to disobey God so Adam is accountable for his sin just as the shooter is answerable for his crime.
Yes, one sin and the penalty is death. God does not grade on a curve. Question: if you commit first degree murder what do you think the penalty would be for you?
No, each person has a sin nature because of Adam, but every person has made the decision to commit sin individually.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
uggh yet more completely flawed logic. if god and jesus are one and the same as in the trinity, then god wouldnt change at all. yet he did, meaning that they cant be the same being, or that jesus WASNT the son of god.
God and Jesus are not one and the same (Person) they are one God but distinct Persons. Jesus is the Son of God i.e. He is composed of the same substance and nature as His Father. The Trinity is a term that is used to describe the triune God. God is not one Person. God is three Persons composed of the same substance and nature i.e. the divine nature. Each Person is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and eternal.
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.
There you have it. The Father speaking from Heaven, the Son Jesus on Earth, and the Holy Spirit alighting upon Jesus anointing Him for ministry.
Three divine Persons, yet one God.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
where in that sentence does it say men are born with sin?? hmmmmmm? i dont see any words refering to BIRTH which is your point. that sentence could mean all men at the time or any number of different things.
Everyone is a sinner by nature or birth, and everyone chooses to sin:
Psalm 51:5
5 Behold, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH IN INIQUITY,
And IN SIN my mother conceived me.
Romans 5:12,19
12 Therefore, just as THROUGH ONE MAN SIN ENTERED THE WORLD, AND DEATH THROUGH SIN, AND THUS DEATH SPREAD TO ALL MEN, BECAUSE ALL SINNED-
19 FOR AS BY ONE MAN'S DISOBEDIENCE MANY WERE MADE SINNERS, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
1 Corinthians 15:21 -22
21 FOR SINCE BY MAN CAME DEATH, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 FOR AS IN ADAM ALL DIE, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
Romans 3:23
23 for ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD,
1 John 1:8-10
8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US. 9 lf we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR, and His word is not in us.
We are all born sinners.
Sin entered the world through Adam's disobedience. The consequence of sin is death (spiritual and physical). Therefore (spiritual) death spread to everyone because we all inherited Adam's sinful nature and consequence for sin. We were made sinners because of Adam's disobedience.
Adam caused death to enter the world and human nature through his sin or disobedience. As a result, all people die (or inherit Adam's consequence for sin which is spiritual and physical death).
No one is righteous, not one person, we are all sinners.
All have sinned (all are sinners by nature and by choice) and fall short of the glory (the glorious presence) of God who is in Heaven. God cannot allow sinners into His presence in Heaven because He is holy (sinless).
We all have a sinful nature and we all choose to sin, to deny this is to deceive ourselves.