Originally posted by Grand_Moff_GavGod sends himself to die for himself to allow himself to change a rule he created himself. (Jesus, New Testament)
"Tho shalt not kill"
Originally posted by Da Pittman
God sends himself to die for himself to allow himself to change a rule he created himself. (Jesus, New Testament)
Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God (Genesis 22:1-18)
Kill first-born humans and animals (Exodus 13:2)
More human sacrifice (Leviticus 27:28-29)
Jephthah Burns His Daughter (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)
God Commands Burning Humans (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
Josiah and Human Sacrifice (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT) (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)
Human Sacrifice (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)
Child Sacrifice (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.)
Humans are Fuel for Fire (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)
Burn Nonbelievers (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Rape
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Slavery
Slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
How Hebrew slaves are to be treated (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
It is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
You can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Slavery is still approved of in the New Testament (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Beating slaves who didn't know they did any wrong (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Murder
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT) (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Brats (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women (Jeremiah 51:20-26) (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
More of Samson's Murders (The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)
Peter Kills Two People (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)
Mass Murder (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
You Have to Kill (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
The Danites Kill the Next Town (Joshua 19:47 NAB)
God Kills Some More (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)
God Promises More Killing (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
The Angel of Death (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Destruction of Ai (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)
Killing at Jericho (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)
God Kills an Extended Family (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)
Mass Murder (Judges 20:48 NAB)
The Angel of Death (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill the Family of Sinners (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Murder (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)
Kill All of Babylon (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)
I don't know what the wink was for...you didn't proove anything.
All those things were done by God's command- not because the people just decided to do it.
You asked, is it OK to kill in the name of God? I said Thou shalt not kill. That is the rule you should follow until he himself tells you otherwise...
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_GavAs I have said, it is OK to kill in the name of God. So as long as God tells me it is OK to kill then I don't have to abide by the laws of man. Now who is to say that God didn't tell me to kill? How is someone supposed to know that God didn't tell them to kill?
I don't know what the wink was for...you didn't proove anything.All those things were done by God's command- not because the people just decided to do it.
You asked, is it OK to kill in the name of God? I said Thou shalt not kill. That is the rule you should follow until he himself tells you otherwise...
Also most of these "commands" from God leave it to the person to judge and since man is flawed or can misinterpret sings then innocents will be killed. In all of these commands do you think that before each person was murdered that they asked God to “verify” that this person is a “non-believer”, “first born”, “witch” and so on?
Originally posted by inimalist
so you are saying drug laws are in accordance with the bible?the laws of which nation?
God instructs His children to submit to those who are in authority that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. I don't know that drug laws are necessarily consistent with God's will per se. But the point is that if those laws are not contrary to God's Word that they should be complied with.
All nations are subject to God's law because all people are subject to God's judgment. God is the Judge of all the earth so all people will one day give account to Him for their lives.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhat if I'm not on the Earth 😛
God instructs His children to submit to those who are in authority that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. I don't know that drug laws are necessarily consistent with God's will per se. But the point is that if those laws are not contrary to God's Word that they should be complied with.All nations are subject to God's law because all people are subject to God's judgment. God is the Judge of all the earth so all people will one day give account to Him for their lives.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
As I have said, it is OK to kill in the name of God. So as long as God tells me it is OK to kill then I don't have to abide by the laws of man. Now who is to say that God didn't tell me to kill? How is someone supposed to know that God didn't tell them to kill?Also most of these "commands" from God leave it to the person to judge and since man is flawed or can misinterpret sings then innocents will be killed. In all of these commands do you think that before each person was murdered that they asked God to “verify” that this person is a “non-believer”, “first born”, “witch” and so on?
Again you prove nothing.
Kill if God tells you too, if he doesn't do not.
Your argument about proof that God gave the command and interpretation is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_GavHow are you supposed to know that God gave this command? God says to kill unbelievers, who is to determine what is a un-believer? God sounds like a politician, he gives his first law “Thou shall not kill”, no let me amend that will 500 different exceptions to that rule and any others I can think up later.
Again you prove nothing.Kill if God tells you too, if he doesn't do not.
Your argument about proof that God gave the command and interpretation is irrelevant.
This is very important because you state that you can ONLY be justified if God tells you to murder someone so you HAVE to know that you are taking this command from God. If you are not taking the command from God then you have committed a sin and will burn in Hell.
I’m not trying to “prove” anything yet you haven’t disproved anything either.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God instructs His children to submit to those who are in authority that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. I don't know that drug laws are necessarily consistent with God's will per se. But the point is that if those laws are not contrary to God's Word that they should be complied with.All nations are subject to God's law because all people are subject to God's judgment. God is the Judge of all the earth so all people will one day give account to Him for their lives.
From your perspective maybe.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
How are you supposed to know that God gave this command? God says to kill unbelievers, who is to determine what is a un-believer? God sounds like a politician, he gives his first law “Thou shall not kill”, no let me amend that will 500 different exceptions to that rule and any others I can think up later.This is very important because you state that you can ONLY be justified if God tells you to murder someone so you HAVE to know that you are taking this command from God. If you are not taking the command from God then you have committed a sin and will burn in Hell.
I’m not trying to “prove” anything yet you haven’t disproved anything either.
Biblically it is always made very clear when a person receives a command directly from God. If a person has been genuinely convinced that the command came from God but it wasn't really he or she certainly wouldn't burn in hell but after death the severe error would probably be pointed out and explained.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosBut wouldn't that fall under the sin of pride? Thinking that they were worthy enough to receive a message from God and that they fell for the deception? They still committed a sin against God's law, they thought they were acting to God's will but were not. I think the same logic could be applied to someone that doesn't believe in God, they were "wrong" in not believing in him so shouldn't his error be pointed out as well and not go to Hell?
Biblically it is always made very clear when a person receives a command directly from God. If a person has been genuinely convinced that the command came from God but it wasn't really he or she certainly wouldn't burn in hell but after death the severe error would probably be pointed out and explained.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
How are you supposed to know that God gave this command? God says to kill unbelievers, who is to determine what is a un-believer? God sounds like a politician, he gives his first law “Thou shall not kill”, no let me amend that will 500 different exceptions to that rule and any others I can think up later.This is very important because you state that you can ONLY be justified if God tells you to murder someone so you HAVE to know that you are taking this command from God. If you are not taking the command from God then you have committed a sin and will burn in Hell.
I’m not trying to “prove” anything yet you haven’t disproved anything either.
I wasn't attempting too- I was stating a rule.
You tried to disprove the rule existed by stating the flaws in it, even if the rules are flawed does not mean the rule doesn't exist.
The Old Testmant rule is: "Tho shall not kill, unless God says thou shall"
Ofcourse, we know thats not going to work...but thats not what we were debating.
Originally posted by Devil King
You have to see the absurdity in that position, though.
As stated above, I was not discussing the position, just stating it existed.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
But wouldn't that fall under the sin of pride? Thinking that they were worthy enough to receive a message from God and that they fell for the deception? They still committed a sin against God's law, they thought they were acting to God's will but were not.
Not if they were genuinely fooled into believing the message came from God. As long as the action is taken because the person thinks he or she is following a command from God and not to glorify him/herself pride hardly seems like a factor.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I think the same logic could be applied to someone that doesn't believe in God, they were "wrong" in not believing in him so shouldn't his error be pointed out as well and not go to Hell?
I agree. What's your point?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_GavSo basicly I can kill all non-believers, witches and the like?
I wasn't attempting too- I was stating a rule.You tried to disprove the rule existed by stating the flaws in it, even if the rules are flawed does not mean the rule doesn't exist.
The Old Testmant rule is: "Tho shall not kill, unless God says thou shall"
Ofcourse, we know thats not going to work...but thats not what we were debating.
As stated above, I was not discussing the position, just stating it existed.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosMy point is that I want a cookie 😛
Not if they were genuinely fooled into believing the message came from God. As long as the action is taken because the person thinks he or she is following a command from God and not to glorify him/herself pride hardly seems like a factor.I agree. What's your point?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God instructs His children to submit to those who are in authority that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. I don't know that drug laws are necessarily consistent with God's will per se. But the point is that if those laws are not contrary to God's Word that they should be complied with.All nations are subject to God's law because all people are subject to God's judgment. God is the Judge of all the earth so all people will one day give account to Him for their lives.
is not congruent with:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Violating established law that is in harmony with the Bible is a sin; hence, using illegal drugs is a sin.
lest we think failing to stop at a stop sign for the full 2 seconds is a sin.