Can you handle the Truth?

Started by Lord Knightfa11432 pages

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn’t start anything; I finished it.

What, by failing to substantiate your arguments by "i don't have anything to prove to you"ing it up?

But your “science” was laughable. I didn’t claim to be a scientist like you did. I’m a songwriter, singer and guitar player,

That's nice.

and even I can tell that you have an incomplete picture, and that is where I got the idea that you should go to school.

So first you admit you have no education or knowledge of the subject, and yet you think you are judge enough to say whether or not I have a complete picture and claim that I should "go to school". Why don't you leave science to critical thinkers and logical people, Mr. Shakyamunison, instead of trying to get involved and then relying on the fact that you are a lover and not a thinker.


I was simply giving you back what you were giving out at the time. Go back and read what you posted.

I don't get it. I posted that both incans and Chinese and Jews have a worldwide flood legend, and gilgamesh, an ancient babylonian hero is said to have met the man who survived the flood.

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That's fine, trolli.

that is your interpretation without scripture ever directly stating otherwise.. interesting how you make an assumption to rationalize your believe and understanding..remember the bible was written by man and he had limited understanding of the divines plan and thought process let alone his ability to see the cosmic dynamics of creation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is still not evidence that apes are ancestors of humans. Sorry, but these are the facts. You see, you must first prove (factually) that evolution is possible (let alone that it has occurred). Second, you must prove--not preconceive--that the fused chromosome in human DNA did not come from the factory that way.

Good luck.

Evolution possible? Yes. It's been observed (microevolution), and there's a plethora of data in multiple fields of science that complement one another in support of macroevolution. You've yet to provide a testable alternative, rendering your statements as uneducated opinions.

As stated before: "You'll notice, multiple sub telomeric duplications, the telomeres that don't belong, and lo and behold, the centromere that is inactivated, corresponds to chimp chromosome 13. It's there, it's testable..."

Again, uncanny similarites between these human and chimp chromosomes is merely a coincidence, and it was designed to look that way?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
What, by failing to substantiate your arguments by "i don't have anything to prove to you"ing it up?

That's nice.

No, the fact you state your beliefs as if they were fact. I thought you could use a little of your own medicine.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
So first you admit you have no education or knowledge of the subject, and yet you think you are judge enough to say whether or not I have a complete picture and claim that I should "go to school". Why don't you leave science to critical thinkers and logical people, Mr. Shakyamunison, instead of trying to get involved and then relying on the fact that you are a lover and not a thinker.

I at least I have a degree and have taken science classes. I don’t know what the lover things was all about, but sorry, I’m not gay.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I don't get it. I posted that both incans and Chinese and Jews have a worldwide flood legend, and gilgamesh, an ancient babylonian hero is said to have met the man who survived the flood.
That's fine, trolli.

That is the problem, you don’t get it. There is a good change that the Black Sea did flood 8,000 years ago and that lead to the flood legend that ended up in the bible, but it was not a world wide flood.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
ppl so angry i say close this thread and go to the science religion one it is better
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t500581.html

this is from ad pittman

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.


I do not feel outraged, I accept what you believe, although if you want to debate, I will. Its not like your opinion changes anything, you are just a mortal.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
This one is a fail. We were created in the form of the ultimate master race, that is why "being created from dirt" is not a bad thing. We feel dehumanized when someone claims we are monkeys.

the ones i skip are the ones that don't apply to me and/or have no bearing on the current topic.


7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
Failure. God killed the babies in egypt because according to the bible, the egyptians were about to do take every firstborn again and throw them into the nile. Also, 9 other miraculous happenings did not convince pharaoh to release the slaves and not murder their babies. I think drastic measures were justified. As for killing entire ethnicities, all were incredibly evil demon worshipers who sacrificed humans of their own race and tribes to their "gods".

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans,
lets get this straight. Nobody is laughing at anybody. this is complete and utter bs.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
the men of 6000 years ago were not stupid or "prehistoric." they have archaeological findings of batteries created by BC humans. Secondly, the age of the earth HAS NOT been scientifically established. I have already shown that carbon dating would be INCREDIBLY INACCURATE 100,000 years ago.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
Yet all they have to do in order to escape it is to accept jesus. I say that's a little better than "kill the infidel or you are a hypocrite," who kill raped women because they were raped, brutally murder homosexuals, etc.

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

Ha. I've shown you my physics and my biology and you have no rebuttal. Lets rephrase that to apply to you.
3- While knightfall's logic, the world's history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot with a 200 year old book about morphing creatures may be all the evidence you need to "prove" evolution.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

I believe it is a lack of discipline. In the bible Jesus said "this kind only cometh out with prayer and fasting" and many Christians won't even go out and lay hands on people.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Unfortunately, this one is true and applies to many people, however, not to me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, the fact you state your beliefs as if they were fact. I thought you could use a little of your own medicine.
So your saying you failed on purpose to make a point?
Dumbest thing I ever heard.

I at least I have a degree and have taken science classes. I don’t know what the lover things was all about, but sorry, I’m not gay.
a degree in what, and what does that prove when you fail at basic debating or substantiating? and is everything a gay joke with you?


That is the problem, you don’t get it. There is a good change that the Black Sea did flood 8,000 years ago and that lead to the flood legend that ended up in the bible, but it was not a world wide flood.
YouTube video saying "NO IT ISN"T" is not an argument.

^ No reply needed for the post above. It stands on its own.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
saying "NO IT ISN"T" is not an argument.

Yes it is. Just depends on how complex of an argument you're looking for.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
So your saying you failed on purpose to make a point?
Dumbest thing I ever heard.

No! Go back and read it again.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
a degree in what, and what does that prove when you fail at basic debating or substantiating? and is everything a gay joke with you?

You first. Do you have a degree?

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Evolution possible? Yes. It's been observed (microevolution), and there's a plethora of data in multiple fields of science that complement one another in support of macroevolution. You've yet to provide a testable alternative, rendering your statements as uneducated opinions.

As stated before: "You'll notice, multiple sub telomeric duplications, the telomeres that don't belong, and lo and behold, the centromere that is inactivated, corresponds to chimp chromosome 13. It's there, it's testable..."

Again, uncanny similarites between these human and chimp chromosomes is merely a coincidence, and it was designed to look that way?

There is no evidence of macroevolution.

I don't have to prove anything, that is not my burden. Still no proof of common ancestry between humans and apes.

That is all it can be is coincidence or deliberate design from God.

also i qouted that from someone that i felt did apply to a fundamentalist christian if you dont fit the bill well then i guess you are not a fundamentalist. the funny think i never claimed my believe of evolution was because of charles darwin.i am well aware of darwins observations being inacurrate because modern science has pointed it ou. only few ppl use darwinism as a defense believing that through pure necessity animals can change when that is not the case. third i have no need to refute your scientific claim and mathematics seeing as someone has already pointed out your flaws and posted a website to show you your inacurracy..also other ppl in other threads have pointed your mistake in the science religions thread. i also stated the numerous variables that you failed to add to your equation.
i am well aware that carbon dating is not always accurate but it is the closest thing we have to measure time and the earth aside of obsevable and educated quessing. like that fact that majority of rocks buried in the earth are billions of years old.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Yes it is.
No it isn't! an arguement is a collected series of statements to establish a definite proposition!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No! Go back and read it again.

You first. Do you have a degree?

No, but am currently a college student studying for a degree in pharmacy, which requires extensive classes in biology, chemistry, some physics, etc. Now, your degree, if you please.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
[B]No! Go back and read it again.
/B]
wait a minute i think i've got this. although not unlike me, you managed to fail mimicking me. Where I can defend my beliefs when i talk as if they are fact, you cannot, although you wanted to give me a taste of my own medicine, so you acted as if your beliefs were fact and then made a hasty withdrawal?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no evidence of macroevolution.

I don't have to prove anything, that is not my burden. Still no proof of common ancestry between humans and apes.

That is all it can be is coincidence or deliberate design from God.

1. Yes there is. I've posted plenty of examples in past posts. You chose to not acknowledge them, which is why I don't really take you seriously anymore.

2. Yes it is your burden. You've no testable hypothesis that supports your statements.

3. Dealing in absolutes in a world that is not absolute, only shows that you aren't able to approach the subject in a logical manner.

I have an internet degree in global moderating. Knightfa11, I'm not tolerating those bash tactics you are using to argue your point. That's an official warning to you; please knock it off and play nice.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
No it isn't! an arguement is a collected series of statements to establish a definite proposition!

No it isn't.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
No it isn't.
Yes it is! it isn't just contradiction...

moderator lock this thread look how the debating has turn into

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is not to infinity

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Yes it is! it isn't just contradiction...

Depends on if you wanted a good argument or not.