Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
1. Hell is not a place you go after you die.
2. You cannot be separated from God.
3. The basic nature of humanity is not sinfulness, it is survival.
4. Jesus did not raise from the dead.
5. There is nothing to be saved from.

Can you handle the Truth?

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Originally posted by ThePittman
1. Unless they send you to Hell Michigan
2. Unless God goes to the doctor to get you removed.
3. Unless you live in Las Vegas.
4. Chris Angel made that illusion.
5. Unless it is a Kodiak bear and you are covered in honey.

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I don't know, but I still think that 3 is valid. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know, but I still think that 3 is valid. 😛

Originally posted by ThePittman
think I think your right

When I go to Las Vegas, I use the 3 foot rule. But now I'm off topic; that is the truth. 😆

Originally posted by Nellinator
Our sins. Saving us from hell is a consequence of that action. The cross saves us from our sins if we accept.

Who created Hell ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Saving us from our sins bridged the gap between us and God.

You mean the bridge that was created when Eve ate the fruit from the Tree ? 🙄

*cough* Pandora's Box

Originally posted by Nellinator
The resurrection brought the baptism of the Holy Spirit that gives us the strength to overcome our natural sinfulness.

So sinfulness is natural now ? Christianity is an extremely pessemistic and dark religion.

And Shakymunison is telling you the truth...the nature of humankind, like all of animalkind, is survival, not sin.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you cannot prove that Jesus is not the Son of God. Based on the eyewitness testimonies recorded in the Bible as well as eyewitness testimony today, [b]Jesus is the Son of God. What cogent, credible proof do you have the Jesus is not the Son of God?

*waits eagerly for your response*

[/B]

Boris has a point, ese.

Christopher Scarver, the man who killed Jefferey Dahmer, beleived and claimed he was the son of God. Why is Jesus any more correct than any whacko alive today caliming to be divine?

JIA, arguing that one cannot prove that Jesus is not the son of god is ludicrous, since you cannot prove that he was the son of god either, since it's based on...

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
1. Hell is not a place you go after you die.
2. You cannot be separated from God.
3. The basic nature of humanity is not sinfulness, it is survival.
4. Jesus did not raise from the dead.
5. There is nothing to be saved from.

Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Who created Hell ?

You mean the bridge that was created when Eve ate the fruit from the Tree ? 🙄

*cough* Pandora's Box

So sinfulness is natural now ? Christianity is an extremely pessemistic and dark religion.

And Shakymunison is telling you the truth...the nature of humankind, like all of animalkind, is survival, not sin.

Actually no, it is our own sins that seperate us from God.

It is natural for human's to sin. That is not dark at all. To argue that you do not feel compulsions to do bad things is idiocy and/or a lie. It is a sad truth. People lie, they cheat, they steal, everyone has done it in their life. Are you struggling to survive? I doubt it and without this need to survive the impulse to sin is still present. It stems from the same selfishness that drives our survival urges. They are both natural to us. There is nothing pessimistic about that. It only becomes pessimistic when we concede to it. Which many Christians, unfortunately, do. The Bible actually presents a very optimistic view that it can be overcome through the power of Christ.

Originally posted by Nellinator
God.

That's very nice of him...only a Loving being would create a place of torment.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually no, it is our own sins that seperate us from God.

so what's original sin ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
It is natural for human's to sin. That is not dark at all. To argue that you do not feel compulsions to do bad things is idiocy and/or a lie.

What do u mean by bad things ? If you mean "having gay sex outside of marriage" I will pretty much laugh, and disregard your point.

I lie all the time....when my unattractive freind asks me if I thnk he is attractive, I always say "yes, I thnk you are gorgeous" to make him feel better. I guess that's wrong. I should tell him the TRUTH, that I really thnk he is rather ugly...that's the right thing to do, God would want me to do that.

Originally posted by Nellinator
It is a sad truth. People lie, they cheat, they steal, everyone has done it in their life.

People lie, cheat, and steal for survival, not because "it feels good"...please open your mind and embrace understanding instead of judgement.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Are you struggling to survive?

Sorta..we all are. We all work to make ends meet. We all spend to have food and water.

I am also battling Depression on my own, without medication, and I am struggling to not fall into the series of hopelessness and low confidense that I used to.

I am struggling to overcome suffering, and to make sure I do not cause others to suffer.

Sorry if my personal goals are to heathen or pagan for you.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I doubt it and without this need to survive the impulse to sin is still present. It stems from the same selfishness that drives our survival urges.

I agree with you that selfishness is one of the most powerful roots of wrong. There is no argument there.

However, survival is the biggest natural urge of every living creature. That is no secret. Sex is the second.

Very few people actually possess sadistic urges, and those people are scientifically classified as psychopaths.

Originally posted by Nellinator
They are both natural to us. There is nothing pessimistic about that. It only becomes pessimistic when we concede to it. Which many Christians, unfortunately, do. The Bible actually presents a very optimistic view that it can be overcome through the power of Christ.

I have overcome by own anger, self-pity, and judgement of other people on my own.

Sure I may suffer from chronic cases of depression, but that's a physiological event.

I have become a better person through my own effort, no thanks to your Christ. If Jesus works for you, then I wish you the best, and I sincerely hope he stays with you. As for me, I need no such person. I only need to discipline myself.

If you would like me to elaborate, id be happy 2

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
whacko alive today caliming to be divine?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Lawlz at your attempt.

Would that be a no then?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
That's very nice of him...only a Loving being would create a place of torment.

so what's original sin ?

What do u mean by bad things ? If you mean "having gay sex outside of marriage" I will pretty much laugh, and disregard your point.

I lie all the time....when my unattractive freind asks me if I thnk he is attractive, I always say "yes, I thnk you are gorgeous" to make him feel better. I guess that's wrong. I should tell him the TRUTH, that I really thnk he is rather ugly...that's the right thing to do, God would want me to do that.

People lie, cheat, and steal for survival, not because "it feels good"...please open your mind and embrace understanding instead of judgement.

Sorta..we all are. We all work to make ends meet. We all spend to have food and water.

I am also battling Depression on my own, without medication, and I am struggling to not fall into the series of hopelessness and low confidense that I used to.

I am struggling to overcome suffering, and to make sure I do not cause others to suffer.

Sorry if my personal goals are to heathen or pagan for you.

I agree with you that selfishness is one of the most powerful roots of wrong. There is no argument there.

However, survival is the biggest natural urge of every living creature. That is no secret. Sex is the second.

Very few people actually possess sadistic urges, and those people are scientifically classified as psychopaths.

I have overcome by own anger, self-pity, and judgement of other people [b]on my own.

Sure I may suffer from chronic cases of depression, but that's a physiological event.

I have become a better person through my own effort, no thanks to your Christ. If Jesus works for you, then I wish you the best, and I sincerely hope he stays with you. As for me, I need no such person. I only need to discipline myself.

If you would like me to elaborate, id be happy 2 [/B]

Why are you depressed Goddess Kali (if you don't mind sharing this information)?

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i guess u can't handle the truth either

u hide behind ur extensive (and impressive) knowledge of the fantasy book the bible and all things pertaining to it, all the while scared to death that u'll actually just rot in the ground, or be burned to dust.

Thread should've been called "Can you handle the opinion?"

"Consider what Isaac Asimov (a highly respected evolutionist, and ardent anti-creationist) has to say:"

“Another way of stating the second law then is: ‘The universe is constantly getting more disorderly!’ Viewed that way, we can see the second law all about us. We have to work hard to straighten a room, but left to itself it becomes a mess again very quickly and very easily. Even if we never enter it, it becomes dusty and musty. How difficult to maintain houses, and machinery, and our bodies in perfect working order: how easy to let them deteriorate. In fact, all we have to do is nothing, and everything deteriorates, collapses, breaks down, wears out, all by itself—and that is what the second law is all about.”

[Isaac Asimov, Smithsonian Institute Journal, June 1970, p. 6]
http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why are you depressed Goddess Kali (if you don't mind sharing this information)?

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Do you really care ?

Or are you just gonna try and convince me that the reason I am depressed is because I reject Jesus ? 😬

Sounds like somebody needs a good raping.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Do you really care ?

Or are you just gonna try and convince me that the reason I am depressed is because I reject Jesus ? 😬

Care? I am just curious what has you down (I guess you could call that caring).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Care? I am just curious what has you down (I guess you could call that caring).

Why do you think he is down? I think he is just young.