Re: Re: Can you handle the Truth?
Originally posted by RogerRamjet
could you handle the truth? if someone told you and poved to you without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus never existed...could you handle that? no you couldn't because then you'd face the truth that you've based and designed your whole life on a lie...
That will never happen.
Originally posted by Boris
He probably did exist.Now being the son of god, eh.. no.
But you cannot prove that Jesus is not the Son of God. Based on the eyewitness testimonies recorded in the Bible as well as eyewitness testimony today, Jesus is the Son of God. What cogent, credible proof do you have the Jesus is not the Son of God?
*waits eagerly for your response*
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
as well as eyewitness testimony today, Jesus is the Son of God.
Eyewitness? AHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but Jesus is dead, so that would be quite impossible.
Why should Jesus be the son of God when so many other people have said they are? Or similar? What makes him right and them wrong?
Originally posted by Boris
Eyewitness? AHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but Jesus is dead, so that would be quite impossible.Why should Jesus be the son of God when so many other people have said they are? Or similar? What makes him right and them wrong?
Prove that Jesus is dead. What cogent, credible proof do you have that Jesus is dead? You make statements but you do not support them adequately.
Go and read the Gospel According to John from beginning to end and you tell me if you still have any doubts that Jesus is the Son of God. Preferably from the King James or New King James Bible.
Well lets see, he was born what? More than 2000 years ago, correct?
How many people do you know who are over 2000 years old?
That's a really stupid question to ask.
Why would I read a Gospel when it is full of useless and incorrect information, I have nothing to gain from reading it... well, maybe for a bit of comedy.
Originally posted by Boris
Well lets see, he was born what? More than 2000 years ago, correct?How many people do you know who are over 2000 years old?
That's a really stupid question to ask.
Why would I read a Gospel when it is full of useless and incorrect information, I have nothing to gain from reading it... well, maybe for a bit of comedy.
Well then why would you make useless incorrect statements about Jesus when you are to lazy and unwilling to find out if what you are saying is true or not?
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Originally posted by Boris
Answer my question, how many 2000 year olds do you know?Wouldn't the Bible be a bias for me to read, no?
But Jesus is divine. So He does not fit any of your molds. Before Jesus was born of the virgin Mary He was God (i.e. possessing no physical body). Jesus is God Almighty and He preexisted the earth that He created. Forty days after Jesus rose from the dead He ascended back to Heaven to resume His existence in Heaven as God Almighty (but now He has a physical body). I don't understand your question about the Bible being a bias for you to read. What do you mean.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But Jesus is divine. So He does not fit any of your molds. Before Jesus was born of the virgin Mary He was God (i.e. possessing no physical body). Jesus is God Almighty and He preexisted the earth that He created. Forty days after Jesus rose from the dead He ascended back to Heaven to resume His existence in Heaven as God Almighty (but now He has a physical body). I don't understand your question about the Bible being a bias for you to read. What do you mean.
That is your belief, and to you, it is as true as you can believe. But it is not true for other people, and their truth is just as real for them as your is to you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But Jesus is divine. So He does not fit any of your molds.
Again, how many 2000 year old people do you know? My guess would be 0, since people do not live that long.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't understand your question about the Bible being a bias for you to read. What do you mean.
Are you serious? Of course it's bias. It's written by people who want others to believe in their bullshit. People who make up stories to enhance the idea of their Messiah, to extend and show off his divinity.
Have you ever read the Gospels that didn't make the cut for the bible, JIA?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But Jesus is divine. So He does not fit any of your molds. Before Jesus was born of the virgin Mary He was God (i.e. possessing no physical body). Jesus is God Almighty and He preexisted the earth that He created. Forty days after Jesus rose from the dead He ascended back to Heaven to resume His existence in Heaven as God Almighty (but now He has a physical body). I don't understand your question about the Bible being a bias for you to read. What do you mean.
so then his SACRIFICE meant nothing as he didnt die, he turned back into god, neither his death/nor his pain lives one, he has turned back into god and those things niether effect, nor persist in him. he gave mankind a chance to be saved from HIMSELF, as he was either not capable as the father or was not willing, as the father, to forgive mankind of the sins of his first creation{which he himself put in a situation in which theyd sin} which had nuthing to do with the individuals themselves.
now u see the problem with your contradictory trinity, no ceherent arguments can stand based on a self contradictory concept like that.
Umm... this argument fails. His death not living on is the principle point of Christianity. The resurrection his victory over death (ie. sin). If you didn't know that you don't know the most important thing in all of Christianity. He did forgive mankind of his creation, that's not what Jesus came to save us from. He came to save us from our own sins. No contradiction at all. You have stretched something that is rather simple and basic to Christianity into a horribly odd argument.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... this argument fails. His death not living on is the principle point of Christianity. The resurrection his victory over death (ie. sin). If you didn't know that you don't know the most important thing in all of Christianity. He did forgive mankind of his creation, that's not what Jesus came to save us from. He came to save us from our own sins. No contradiction at all. You have stretched something that is rather simple and basic to Christianity into a horribly odd argument.
Is it to save us from our own sins, or to save us from Hell ? I don't get it....
Originally posted by Nellinator
Our sins. Saving us from hell is a consequence of that action. The cross saves us from our sins if we accept. Saving us from our sins bridged the gap between us and God. The resurrection brought the baptism of the Holy Spirit that gives us the strength to overcome our natural sinfulness.
1. Hell is not a place you go after you die.
2. You cannot be separated from God.
3. The basic nature of humanity is not sinfulness, it is survival.
4. Jesus did not raise from the dead.
5. There is nothing to be saved from.
Can you handle the Truth?