Celestials or LT vs full potential franklin richards

Originally posted by Kadesh
Tiamut is the strongest celestial but wouldnt he be able to take on franklin? Didnt we see franklin defeat celestials on earth X?

Tiamut cannot be killed. He is badass. Any Celestial destroys Franklin. He is respected by the Celestial race. It appears we did. Frankie became Galactus. That was fun. After that, Franklin=Celestial. The Celestials have returned. Pretty Ommipotent

we still don't know what FP franklin can do...

just that he created a pocket universe from his subconcious...as a kid...

there are reasons why reed placed mental blocks on franky...as a kid...

besides, the thread includes LT...

LT blinks...

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Originally posted by masterbruce
that line of reasoning is pretty specious and you know it

Full power Franklin was Psi Lord and Avatar

As a child, he stomped Mephisto, even created the Heroes Reborn Universe. He is said to = 1 Celestial. I would disagree. When Frankie died, Ashema the Listener resurrected him

Celestial>Franklin

Originally posted by guy222
Full power Franklin was Psi Lord and Avatar

As a child, he stomped Mephisto, even created the Heroes Reborn Universe. He is said to = 1 Celestial. I would disagree. When Frankie died, Ashema the Listener resurrected him

Celestial>Franklin

Frankie(child) is said to = 1 Celestial

Franklin(adult) was also killed in an alternate future

Originally posted by guy222
Full power Franklin was Psi Lord and Avatar

As a child, he stomped Mephisto, even created the Heroes Reborn Universe. He is said to = 1 Celestial. I would disagree. When Frankie died, Ashema the Listener resurrected him

Celestial>Franklin

Psi Lord destroyed an universe. Then in AU as Galactus was devouring Celestials. I really doubt every Celestial>Franklin Richards or even Tiamut.
And since FR is an omega level mutant and due to what his powers are, his upper limit of power might go beyond any Celestial (except Scathan and we don't even know how could Scathan be so powerful, was it because of TOAA or something).

FP Franklin Vs. Tiamut, I say FR takes him down.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Psi Lord destroyed an universe. Then in AU as Galactus was devouring Celestials. I really doubt every Celestial>Franklin Richards or even Tiamut.
And since FR is an omega level mutant and due to what his powers are, his upper limit of power might go beyond any Celestial (except Scathan and we don't even know how could Scathan be so powerful, was it because of TOAA or something).

FP Franklin Vs. Tiamut, I say FR takes him down.

Kubik warped a universe into a sphere the size of his hand and still his powers are by his own account nothing next to a ordinary Celestial, also lets not forget that it was in a chain reaction that the universe was destroyed it wasn't with one fell wave of franklins hand. Franklins entire pocket dimension was first sealed off by the Celestials then they would have vaporized it but instead Ashema contained the pocket universe within herself. Adult Franklin at one point tried to force knowlegde from a Watcher and was owned and the Watchers roughly a small step below the Celestials.

FP Franklin vs Tiamut arguably the most powerful mainstream Celestial FP Franklin loses.

Franklin lashed out at Ashema after She killed that polar bear cub it suprised her but didn't seem to harm her

franklin richards is an omega level mutant, and possibly, the strongest shown so far{with the exception of jean who has always been in contact with the phenix and wanda who has PIS feats in house of m}. his power even before the omega advent was supposed to be equal to the celestials. not only did he create a pocket universe from nothing, he was able to create full sized universes and then travel through them with a couple of other people and not even realise that they were of his own creation. he was able to turn into galactus. eternity was interested in him among other abstracts even before the omega theory.

even currently, he has the power to take on celestials, at full potential, there is no contest. he wud win, perhaps even against the LT {since im guessing, even LT's position is subject to be replaced by an omega sumday, and franklin is the strongest omega}. it was also stated that franklin remains one of the few whose power levels have not gone down at all since the house of m etc.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Kubik warped a universe into a sphere the size of his hand and still his powers are by his own account nothing next to a ordinary Celestial, also lets not forget that it was in a chain reaction that the universe was destroyed it wasn't with one fell wave of franklins hand. Franklins entire pocket dimension was first sealed off by the Celestials then they would have vaporized it but instead Ashema contained the pocket universe within herself. Adult Franklin at one point tried to force knowlegde from a Watcher and was owned and the Watchers roughly a small step below the Celestials.

FP Franklin vs Tiamut arguably the most powerful mainstream Celestial FP Franklin loses.

And still Celestial said FR is potentially equal to them, so that means his power within him is beyond Kubik. And who say 616 FR is not like the one on Earth X. Maybe even more. Everything 616 FR did, it was far form him fully powered or that he was even realizing he is doing something.

And he can warp reality and is an omega mutant, so maybe his reality powers are immeasurable, but he still didn't close live up to his full powers (but we saw from AU what he could do, especially Earth X where Celestial really wasn't something to him).
I think he is on of the mutants who could live up to Scarlet Witch.

Franklin will beat one average celestial...and even thats not a stomp if you ask me

Tiamut will win, as will more than one i.m.o

Now if franklin starts to gain more feats and such.....i will reconsider.....but the earth x arch....i dont know all the things that led up to him replacing galactus

I also have a problem with the term full potential, i think eventually young franklin of today...will have better feats than what we have seen from the adult franklin,

also. adult franklin/psi lord was a little crazy and not as powerful as child franklin. his power was more DIRECTED and concious but still not compareable to the youg one's. in my oppinion, franklin is the strongest consistant mutant in marvel. others like hyperstrom/mad jim jaspers/wanda are too inconsistant to be really considered.

Originally posted by starlock
Franklin will beat one average celestial...and even thats not a stomp if you ask me

Tiamut will win, as will more than one i.m.o

Now if franklin starts to gain more feats and such.....i will reconsider.....but the earth x arch....i dont know all the things that led up to him replacing galactus

I also have a problem with the term full potential, i think eventually young franklin of today...will have better feats than what we have seen from the adult franklin,

Hy, starlock, how are you!?

But we also haven seen much really from Tiamut only on words what he is.

LT would win, of course.

(a) Celestial Vs FR:
50-50 either way.

Tiamut Vs FR:
Tiamut.

I think it's a given than characters of the level of Celestials can reality warp, can create and destroy universes (pocket or otherwise), but that they exist/persist for reasons that are contrary to such egregious use of power.

And for Tiamut and him being the most powerful Celestial and always brought up Galactus knew fear when he awoke (Galactus would also probably be little afraid if Tyrant would come back). In BA it was clearly seen Tiamut realizes how much more powerful is Galactus than him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Hy, starlock, how are you!?

But we also haven seen much really from Tiamut only on words what he is.

Hey there xplosive, how are you doing these days 🙂

I remember guy showing me scans of how hard it was for the celestials to trap tiamut, but yeah allot of descriptions and such, but not allot of feats....its not a perfect system but we try 😄

Originally posted by Xplosive
And still Celestial said FR is potentially equal to them, so that means his power within him is beyond Kubik. And who say 616 FR is not like the one on Earth X. Maybe even more. Everything 616 FR did, it was far form him fully powered or that he was even realizing he is doing something.

And he can warp reality and is an omega mutant, so maybe his reality powers are immeasurable, but he still didn't close live up to his full powers (but we saw from AU what he could do, especially Earth X where Celestial really wasn't something to him).
I think he is on of the mutants who could live up to Scarlet Witch.

Potential Equal. Yes it is but you mentioned that adult franklin could destroy a universe I mentioned that so could the Celestials and quiet easy if there powerlevel are truly so far above Kubiks. I have no idea on how to judge franklin/Galactus from the Earth X, because his feats against the Celestials are staggering no doubt about it, however the way I understand it, he has the power of Galactus too and he will remain Galactus as long as none tells him otherwise, which would indicate that him being Galactus have somehow granted him a powerup. Again this is pure speculation since I have never quiet understood what turned Franklin into Galactus.

So can the Celestials, he will most likely operate on one level of infinity and the Celestials will operate at one below equal ore above him Tiamut however imo is above him, Again I will not strictly call that Franklin pure Franklin but that is just my opinion because Galactus power seemed in some way to have influence. And warp the Omniverse I doubt it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And warp the Omniverse I doubt it.

Yeah, me too, but wouldn't be surprised. But who ever thought Scarlet Witch will do that.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yeah, me too, but wouldn't be surprised. But who ever thought Scarlet Witch will do that.

Yes you are right if someone in the beginning of the 2000 had said that Wanda would warp the omniverse at a later point of time he would be looked at as insane, I guess you are right we never know just quiet what we are to expect, I didn't expect to see a badly weakened Galactus blast at least three solarsystems to dust along with a Watcher either.