Good is a point of view Anakin...wow!

SW is based on the premise that the sith is the epitome of evil.
lucas clearly stated this many times. thats why its not really debatable.

Exactly. And yes, you can see by his expressions Palpy enjoys his evil nature. He's not out for a moral good, he's out for his personal gain and will kill, manipulate, destroy etc. anyone or anything to get it. heck, he even clones people. 😉

But with Palpatine...by doing what he is doing, taking over the galaxy...is he not doing that because he thinks it is the "good" thing to do?

no, you dont fully understand.

palpatine is nothing more than a comical bad guy.
the evil villain who twirls his handlebar moustache while waiting
for the train to run over the damnsel that he tied to the tracks.
he laughs sinisterly simply because he knows what he is doing is
completely wrong and evil, and that is precisely why he's doing it.

...so you cannot debate this by comparing this fictional depiction of evil using
actual real-world concepts of evil, because its already been defined
by george lucas as just what i described. his very nature is to consume,
kill, and destroy everything in his path, simply for the joy of the
destruction and suffering he causes. same goes for palpatine

So I made a pointless thread?

Originally posted by General G
So I made a pointless thread?

i think "pointless" is a bit harsh.

its probably the most widely debated philosophical topic.
its just that in cases like this george lucas plays the role of 'dictator of reality'
when debating star wars, so his word is final.

Alright, I don't see this thread really going anywhere else then...queeq can close if he wishes.

i believe it could be a valid topic if it were to examine vader's pov, since he was not a comic book villain, but rather a tragic evil character

well light and darkside darkside has hate in it which is abit evil but lightside has people talking about not feeling for others which is also abit evil in my opinion

Alright, then perhaps this can go somewhere, no closing queeq!

Originally posted by General G
Alright, then perhaps this can go somewhere, no closing queeq!

Originally posted by Schecter
i believe it could be a valid topic if it were to examine vader's pov, since he was not a comic book villain, but rather a tragic evil character

And it was Vader/Anakin that Lucas is talking about on the EpIII dvd bonus features (The Chosen One feauturette, specifically) where he says:

"Nobody who's evil thinks that they're evil. They think that what they are doing is good. Even though it's not."

So where does that leave us?

Fairly boned as to progress.

And the Light Side does NOT say "Don't feel for otherts", geez. As Anakin explains, jedi are encouraged to love and cherish all life.

What is forbidden is attachment, and hence obsession.

And Lucas's statement was concerning Anakin. He very clearly chose the spectrum of good (i.e. Jedi) and evil (i.e. Sith) for Anakin to chose between. Palpy was plain evil and used Anakin's obsessions for his own gain.

ahh i get it

Finally.

I think I might get it. Getting confusing...

Hardly.

Explain more clearer than please.

'more clearly' 😛