So then you can't say that murder is wrong ahead of time, you can only say that after someone has committed murder? So we could not have said that killing 32 students at a college wasn't wrong ahead of time? We can only say that afterwards? And yes, I would agree that mans views are useless, but fortunately we have 66 books that have been proven trustworthy since they were inspired from God himself.
Originally posted by DARTH DADDY
So then you can't say that murder is wrong ahead of time, you can only say that after someone has committed murder? So we could not have said that killing 32 students at a college wasn't wrong ahead of time? We can only say that afterwards? And yes, I would agree that mans views are useless, but fortunately we have 66 books that have been proven trustworthy since they were inspired from God himself.
Christian apologetics arent useful. Try thinking instead. And thats the crappiest defenition of "proof" I've ever heard.
We cannont definatively know ahead of time. People who think can think ahead to what probable reults thier actions may take. Murder is probably not a good idea, because it all likelyhood, its not going to have a positive result.
Most science and philosphy in Europe sprang forth from religion. So how can you say believers don't think. It requires a LOT of thinking because you can't always stick to your own feelings an experiences. It's philosophy and religion that place your personal small world in a bigger perspective. People only thinking from their own perspective are narrowminded and start saying things that religious people don't think.
Originally posted by Alliance
Christian apologetics arent useful. Try thinking instead.
What does that suggest then? For Christian apologetics you actually need to think.
Besides, during the Middle Ages the Church also used a lot of science from the Near East. So it was also heavily influenced by Near Eastern astronomy and other sciences. That kinda spanned a very large part of the civilised world at the time.
Some of the most brilliant minds in science have been Christians. Sure there are many professed Christians who have not used their God given brains and have done some stupid things. When put under a microscope, the Bible has been proven over and over again to be historically correct. Many have gone out to prove that the Bible is not accurate but in the end have become Christians themselves because of the vast evidence out there.
Originally posted by DARTH DADDY
Some of the most brilliant minds in science have been Christians. Sure there are many professed Christians who have not used their God given brains and have done some stupid things. When put under a microscope, the Bible has been proven over and over again to be historically correct. Many have gone out to prove that the Bible is not accurate but in the end have become Christians themselves because of the vast evidence out there.
This isn't even Star Wars any more. Take it out of here.
Originally posted by queeqIt suggests that endlessly stating "well the Bible says this" is not helping the discussion. Thinking critically would be helpful as opposed to mindless droning. There is a differnece between a scientist who is religoius, and using religion as science.
What does that suggest then? For Christian apologetics you actually need to think.
There is a difference between thinking logically while religious and using religious logic. The latter, unfortunately, was what was presented here and invokes no thought.
Originally posted by queeq
Besides, during the Middle Ages the Church also used a lot of science from the Near East. So it was also heavily influenced by Near Eastern astronomy and other sciences. That kinda spanned a very large part of the civilised world at the time.
I am a history of science major. I know quite a bit about the relationship of science and religion. I assure you this is a subject I have coverd in depth.
The Islamic Empire is where all the real science happened during the early middle ages. The ancient sources and those of Islamic scientists were reintroduced into the the, rather ignorant, Western world. Thier "rediscovery" (they were so bad many of the texts that were origianlly in Latin and were lost had to be retranscribed from their Eastern Greek counterparts) triggered the Italian and then European Renaissances.
Then there was the Moral Crisis. From that point on, religious science and logic were doomed. However, none of that is relvant.
Originally posted by DARTH DADDY
When put under a microscope, the Bible has been proven over and over again to be historically correct.
Pretty much most leading bible scholars, and even the Catholic church now agree that Genesis 1-11 and what is says about creation is metaphorical. It was done it much a similar way that cultures from that time told creation legends...with metaphor. God didn't create the world in "7 days"...and he didn't create woman from "Adams rib".
And I gotta say that it's not a requitement to believe every word of the bible to consider yourself a Christian.
Originally posted by DARTH DADDY
Many have gone out to prove that the Bible is not accurate but in the end have become Christians themselves because of the vast evidence out there.
Originally posted by DARTH DADDYAnd some of the most brilliant minds in history were attracted to the same sex. Who cares.. a true christian also wouldn't care about proving the bible.
Some of the most brilliant minds in science have been Christians. Sure there are many professed Christians who have not used their God given brains and have done some stupid things. When put under a microscope, the Bible has been proven over and over again to be historically correct. Many have gone out to prove that the Bible is not accurate but in the end have become Christians themselves because of the vast evidence out there.