Avengers vs Despero

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman. ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand. And Boo on you for trying to use a comic where Batman beat Solomongrundy hand to hand. I cannot wait till warhulk comes out so I can use that to pretty much lower the bar on everyone he beats. The same way u try and use a bullshit comic on Despero.

Despero wouldn't be a great Thor villain?
Why? Because he's stronger than Thor?

Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus and the list continues.

And Superman has never used his speed against Despero, so i don't see how that's a factor at all.

And no, Thor isn't as Durable or naturally fast as Superman.

But the strength comparisons aren't set in stone. Superman doesn't dwarf Thor in strength.
And Supermans durablity is offset by Thors damage soak.

Despero isn't anything Thor couldn't handle solo.

Tpblasts? Nullified since we know the hammer can absorb them.
Strength? Nothing he hasn't faced before, and prevailed against.

A charged hammer toss from Thor would likely wreck Despero, since he can't take attacks from midtiers and wildlife in stride.

And dimwit, WWH isn't a low showing for anybody who he beats, since he got a powerup before it officially started, and his power level is dynamic in nature to begin with.

Hulk beating Blackbolt, Dr.Strange and anybody else isn't a low showing for them, since he's angry as hell and it's historical fact, that the angrier hulk is, the more powerful he is.

It's not like Despero, who has a high but static power level to begin with.
And Grundy varies appearance to appearance.

He's not always at his JSA thrashing levels, and you'd realize this if you took those rose hued glasses off when you read comics.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Despero wouldn't be a great Thor villain?
Why? Because he's stronger than Thor?

Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus and the list continues.

And Superman has never used his speed against Despero, so i don't see how that's a factor at all.

And no, Thor isn't as Durable or naturally fast as Superman.

But the strength comparisons aren't set in stone. Superman doesn't dwarf Thor in strength.
And Supermans durablity is offset by Thors damage soak.

Despero isn't anything Thor couldn't handle solo.

Tpblasts? Nullified since we know the hammer can absorb them.
Strength? Nothing he hasn't faced before, and prevailed against.

A charged hammer toss from Thor would likely wreck Despero, since he can't take attacks from midtiers and wildlife in stride.

And dimwit, WWH isn't a low showing for anybody who he beats, since he got a powerup before it officially started, and his power level is dynamic in nature to begin with.

Hulk beating Blackbolt, Dr.Strange and anybody else isn't a low showing for them, since he's angry as hell and it's historical fact, that the angrier hulk is, the more powerful he is.

It's not like Despero, who has a high but static power level to begin with.
And Grundy varies appearance to appearance.

He's not always at his JSA thrashing levels, and you'd realize this if you took those rose hued glasses off when you read comics.

Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

Taking full-on energy blasts from Thanos and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is >> Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Taking full-on energy blasts from Thanos and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is >> Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

No dumbspit.

Superman doesn't have a dynamic power level.

All OWAW was about, was showing how Superman performs above the rest of the heroes when he stops holding back.

Superman not holding back>>JLA, JSA, Outsiders and everybody else apparently.

Not holding back/dropping some mental blockage isn't anywhere near the same as someone who actually gets more powerful the angrier they get.

Add in the fact that his wife who may have been pregnant just died due to the bumblefukk that was the Illuminati, and i'd wager he's pretty mad, so that means he's steadily growing more powerful.

And the fact that he got a powerup before the crossover starts, really should tell you something.

You really are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth i've come across, mainly because your flat out dislike of Marvel clouds your judgement immensely.

And why would Thor get thrashed by Despero anyday of the week? He hasn't faced down people as physically dominant as the guy?

Blowhard, Thors rogue gallery personifies brute power over characterization!
Despero isn't above anyone else who's manhandled Thor, and he still pulls out the win.

Your bias is making you transparent.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No dumbspit.

Superman doesn't have a dynamic power level.

All OWAW was about, was showing how Superman performs above the rest of the heroes when he stops holding back.

Superman not holding back>>JLA, JSA, Outsiders and everybody else apparently.

Not holding back/dropping some mental blockage isn't anywhere near the same as someone who actually gets more powerful the angrier they get.

Add in the fact that his wife who may have been pregnant just died due to the bumblefukk that was the Illuminati, and i'd wager he's pretty mad, so that means he's steadily growing more powerful.

And the fact that he got a powerup before the crossover starts, really should tell you something.

You really are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth i've come across, mainly because your flat out dislike of Marvel clouds your judgement immensely.

And why would Thor get thrashed by Despero anyday of the week? He hasn't faced down people as physically dominant as the guy?

Blowhard, Thors rogue gallery personifies brute power over characterization!
Despero isn't above anyone else who's manhandled Thor, and he still pulls out the win.

Your bias is making you transparent.

LOL you think any of this means anything coming from you? You are one of the main marvel biased tards on here. YOur entire statement means nothing becuz you are NOT a balanced Poster. Please get a life and some skills before you decide who is a waste of bandwidth. My bias? You are an idiot who knows no bounds. Despero Constantly Team bashes the JLA. Now when Thor can team bash the JLA get back to me. THis is what I'm basing what I'm saying on. Not some made up bias that you wish to hand me. Now get lost and go wank or something. I can't believe anyone would have the nerve to say someoen that Trashes the JLA would be a good Thor Villian? ANd you don't call that Bias? WTF.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, that would be Mjolnir's ability. NOT his own. The hammer isn't dmg soaking a punch. P.S. if we gonna count his hammer's DMg soak, then we sure as hell can count Diana's Bracelets in battles. She trumps them all.

Does Batman come without a utility belt? Or WW without her bracelets? No. It's standard equipment. I'm not stupid. I realize it's Mjolnir, not Thor's body. But Mjolnir is part of his character.

I would always consider WW's bracelets in battles with her. Why are we not extending the same courtesy to Thor? Besides, bracelets that block stuff <<<< Mjolnir....which has a ridiculous number of powerful and versatile powers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's rediculous to even THINK that Thor is anywhere near as strong as Superman.

If you were trying to sound like a major fanboy .. you succeeded.

😬

Also, nvr, you're being insanely condescending toward both of us at the moment. Grow up and learn to debate discussion points using evidence from both sides, not attack people personally and get upset with those who don't agree with you. You have 6 official warning and a temp ban...the fact that you want to contribute and not just insult is the only thing that's kept you here when others would have been perm-banned.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Does Batman come without a utility belt? Or WW without her bracelets? No. It's standard equipment. I'm not stupid. I realize it's Mjolnir, not Thor's body. But Mjolnir is part of his character.

I would always consider WW's bracelets in battles with her. Why are we not extending the same courtesy to Thor? Besides, bracelets that block stuff <<<< Mjolnir....which has a ridiculous number of powerful and versatile powers.

How many powers really doesn't mean much. The Impossible man has Trillions of powers by way of the fact that he can be whom ever he wants and gets thier powers. It's the out put that counts. You could throw everything that hammer had at Diana's bracelets. And it wouldn't even scratch them. I was saying that counting Thor's dmg soak via the hammer isn't really fair when talking about FIST. which the hammer does not soak.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also, nvr, you're being insanely condescending toward both of us at the moment. Grow up and learn to debate discussion points using evidence from both sides, not attack people personally.

I wasn't condescending towards you. If that is they way your taking it. I was just explaining my point of view. Thor's dmg soak has nothing to do with his own personal durability. Which is what is at stake when fighting someone who uses fist. And UniOmni never deserves my respect. He constantly attacks me first. Should I just stay sweet and let him talk trash just becuz i have an opinion? I hadn't attacked him. He attacted first. Just becuz I am adamant about my stance doesn't mean I attacted him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I wasn't condescending towards you. If that is they way your taking it. I was just explaining my point of view. Thor's dmg soak has nothing to do with his own personal durability. Which is what is at stake when fighting someone who uses fist. And UniOmni never deserves my respect. He constantly attacks me first. Should I just stay sweet and let him talk trash just becuz i have an opinion? I hadn't attacked him. He attacted first. Just becuz I am adamant about my stance doesn't mean I attacted him.

Treating my opinion flippantly, and stating things that it's obvious I know = condescending.

But mainly I was talking about your comments toward Uni. We know you think Despero wrecks Thor. But if you can't debate civilly, just leave the thread, because you're not getting anywhere.

It works both ways....you're doing and saying this to earn their disrespect, even if you're not the only one at fault. The myriad members who have no problem on the forums is evidence of that.

Originally posted by Scoobless
If you were trying to sound like a major fanboy .. you succeeded.

😬

Too bad I absolutely hate Superman. But the evidence is there and it's pretty evident.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Treating my opinion flippantly, and stating things that it's obvious I know = condescending.

But mainly I was talking about your comments toward Uni. We know you think Despero wrecks Thor. But if you can't debate civilly, just leave the thread, because you're not getting anywhere.

HMM. Except Uni was just as uncivil towards me. And yet you single me out? Talk about not being biased. And trying to use evidence of who has more problems is a cop out. What does that mean? many of the same people who used to have problems with me, do not have them now. After careful consideration of what I was actually saying.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It works both ways....you're doing and saying this to earn their disrespect, even if you're not the only one at fault. The myriad members who have no problem on the forums is evidence of that.

How many times have we had this exact same discussion? It starts with you, or it will never improve.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL you think any of this means anything coming from you? You are one of the main marvel biased tards on here. YOur entire statement means nothing becuz you are NOT a balanced Poster. Please get a life and some skills before you decide who is a waste of bandwidth. My bias? You are an idiot who knows no bounds. Despero Constantly Team bashes the JLA. Now when Thor can team bash the JLA get back to me. THis is what I'm basing what I'm saying on. Not some made up bias that you wish to hand me. Now get lost and go wank or something. I can't believe anyone would have the nerve to say someoen that Trashes the JLA would be a good Thor Villian? ANd you don't call that Bias? WTF.

He faces down JLA teams, gets oneshotted by Superman, gets hurt by PG and Hawkman, and the list continues.

The last time he fought the JLA, he resorted to mind control to get the job done.
That won't work on Thor, due to the ability to absorb tpblasts.

He's likely stronger than Thor, true.

But so is Mangog, as well as Kurse. Perrikus as well. And he beats them too.

When his main advantage is nullified, and he's reduced to major brickstatus, why shouldn't a guy whose rogue gallery is filled with bricks that're above the top tier be able to squeeze out the win?

And the fact that you call me a marvel tard is truely laughable. Truely.

I've said many times that i read much more DC than Marvel.

The only thing i constantly check for from Marvel, is Spiderman, Daredevil, Runaways, Incredible Hulk at times(tho he's boring) and i'll be checking Omega Flight in the future.

Aside from that, all DC.
Superman, JSA, JLA, Green Lantern, New Gods(whenever something comes up) Batman and family, Whatever has Shazam related characters, BOP, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Outsiders, Teen Titans and miniseries.

I read more of DC than anything else. Just because i don't pray at the altar of the villains doesn't mean i'm a biased Marvelite.

Go away bruh.

You can't carry an argument, so you resort to fanboy taunts.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He faces down JLA teams, gets oneshotted by Superman, gets hurt by PG and Hawkman, and the list continues.

The last time he fought the JLA, he resorted to mind control to get the job done.
That won't work on Thor, due to the ability to absorb tpblasts.

He's likely stronger than Thor, true.

But so is Mangog, as well as Kurse. Perrikus as well. And he beats them too.

When his main advantage is nullified, and he's reduced to major brickstatus, why shouldn't a guy whose rogue gallery is filled with bricks that're above the top tier be able to squeeze out the win?

And the fact that you call me a marvel tard is truely laughable. Truely.

I've said many times that i read much more DC than Marvel.

The only thing i constantly check for from Marvel, is Spiderman, Daredevil, Runaways, Incredible Hulk at times(tho he's boring) and i'll be checking Omega Flight in the future.

Aside from that, all DC.
Superman, JSA, JLA, Green Lantern, New Gods(whenever something comes up) Batman and family, Whatever has Shazam related characters, BOP, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Outsiders, Teen Titans and miniseries.

I read more of DC than anything else. Just because i don't pray at the altar of the villains doesn't mean i'm a biased Marvelite.

Go away bruh.

You can't carry an argument, so you resort to fanboy taunts.

ANd you resort to insults when the evidence is handily against you. Thor doesnt Always absorb psy blast. That is the first point. He get's hit too many times by energy attacks and Psy control. Everything Thor can do, so can the JLA times Ten. So making the statement that He'd be a good thor villian is just OFF. If it as easy to over come his Psy powers as you make it, then the JLA would have done so years ago. Despero is a team wrecker and not a good THor Villian. Period. THat would be like me saying Count Nefaria would make a good Wonder Woman villian. WTF. A team wrecker against one Hero?

Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
How many times have we had this exact same discussion? It starts with you, or it will never improve.

Did you just tell yourself off?

😕

Originally posted by UniOmni
Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

I don't know about thor being more versatile than the big 7. GL is more versatile. And GL doesn't need the God blast. He only needs MM to unlock his will and he can do pretty much the same thing. SOme of ur points have merit. But as long as Despero wrecks the JLA as much as he does, I'm going with him for a heft majority against Thor. I'll give Despero as many wins against Thor as Superman. So like 2/10in Thor/Superman's favor.We have our stances. No need in circle arguing.