Avengers vs Despero

Started by TricksterPriest22 pages

Originally posted by UniOmni
Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? 🤨 HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.

"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

en masse, despero loses. he'd need prep to take down that squad. thor most certainly IS vulnerable to tp though.

Originally posted by leonidas
en masse, despero loses. he'd need prep to take down that squad. thor most certainly IS vulnerable to tp though.

This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

TP can affect Thor but he is incredibly resistant to it. Under constant attack he has overcome almost every telepath he's been attacked by.

Basically he can raise his own mental defenses through force of will (or by getting angry) ... it's never described like that in the books but the result is the same.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

oh, he most definitely IS susceptible. moondragon almost had him kill the avengers and convinced thor he was in love with her. and that was BEFORE she has the gem.

there have been other times as well where his head has been screwed around with. (morgan le faye was another off top of my head iirc . . .)

Originally posted by Scoobless
TP can affect Thor but he is incredibly resistant to it. Under constant attack he has overcome almost every telepath he's been attacked by.

Basically he can raise his own mental defenses through force of will (or by getting angry) ... it's never described like that in the books but the result is the same.

maybe. his defenses have been pretty sketchy at times, but they DO seem to suffer from pis. hard to tell. a high level tp is certainly capable of taking thor out, imo.

The only time I've ever seen his mental defenses broken is when he was catatonic (during the WM arc when he had the power gem). And even that was with difficulty, and Moondragon was in possession of the Mind Gem at the time.

So uber-resistant but not completely invulnerable sounds about right. And the potential of absorbing it and turning it back on its user is always a possibility too.

It might hinder him some, but it's definitely not an easy win for Despero that way.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? 🤨 HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.

"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

Not the brightest bulb, ehh?

Just because Flash can and has done some really uber things with the speedforce, doesn't make him more versatile than Thor.

Surfer can't do everything Superman can, but he's easily more versatile.

Since when did versatility mean you had to be able to do what everyone else could, and more?

Read down the listing of powers Thor has shown with the mallet.

I never said he'd beat the JLA solo, but his power list> Their versatility.
Barring GL, and even then it's close.

Mind you, many of them are low powered one shots, but ehh. If it can be called a power, he's done it.

Its not bias to read GL, Superman, stay away but even then skim Wondy, and own the MM solo series and still say Thor's versatility list> Theirs.

Flash i won't speak on.

despero has overcome some strong telepaths before but I dont see him taking this. Although hes takin down people who are resistant to TP before id say there are to many on this team and he would be overwhelmed. Good luckin takin over Thor and Sentry. Sersi could at least put up a fight and i dont even remember who else was on that list.

Quasar is fully resistant to telepathic takeover (of a non-magical nature)

Originally posted by UniOmni
Not the brightest bulb, ehh?

Just because Flash can and has done some really uber things with the speedforce, doesn't make him more versatile than Thor.

Surfer can't do everything Superman can, but he's easily more versatile.

Since when did versatility mean you had to be able to do what everyone else could, and more?

Read down the listing of powers Thor has shown with the mallet.

I never said he'd beat the JLA solo, but his power list> Their versatility.
Barring GL, and even then it's close.

Mind you, many of them are low powered one shots, but ehh. If it can be called a power, he's done it.

Its not bias to read GL, Superman, stay away but even then skim Wondy, and own the MM solo series and still say Thor's versatility list> Theirs.

Flash i won't speak on.

WW alone vs. Thor is a 5/10 split

Originally posted by Kurash
WW alone vs. Thor is a 5/10 split

No it isn't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Supposed, Sentry has god-like TP powers along with the void.

Can Sentry access the voids powers consciously? Any evidence?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor is also supposedly immune to TP.

Moondragon influenced Thors actions and brought out his feelings of superiority and for a short time turned him against the Avengers so no he is not immune. Thor is very resistant to TP though. Thor has resisted the Mind-Thrust Of the Colonizer, the Mind Blast of the Super-Beast- THOR-#135, and resisted a Mind-Storm Blast that the Beast, Iron Man, and most especially Moondragon could not-Avengers-#138.

I would like to point out that some DC villains have shitty durability, Despero is one of those. By shitty I don't mean they fall to the likes of Batman or sharks, but that they durability don't match their power levels. Example: Darkseid has a high skyfather quasi-abstract level but he gets hurt by above top tiers on a regular basis; his powers are way over them, no question about it, but he cannot ditch as much damage as he should. Despero is an above top tier whose durability is around top tier.

Thor has better energy resistance with Mjolnir than Supes, Clark has more physical resistance than him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? 🤨 HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.

"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

How is a bias admitting one character may be more versatile than a team, which may very well be the case with the exception of a Gl? Versatility doesn't equate to power.

MM, WW, Supes, and Flash? Yes he's displayed a longer list of powers than the characters mentioned. I won't speak on Kyle. However as I previously stated, versatility doesn't equate to power. Thor couldn't defeat these four on his own.

You obviously are incognizant of the definition of Versatility. The definition of versatility isn't "I can do what everyone else can do", it's having or capable of many uses.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

Why, because he's more powerful than Apocalypse? 🙄

While vulnerable he is still extremely resistant to it. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by. Add that to his ability to absorb telepathic bolts and you have an extremely potent defense.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT really doesn't matter. Deserpo's TP is on another lvl than what any of these marvel guys have faced. Thier vaunted psi resistance means nothing when they don't face people with Tp like his at all. Marvels Psy's are pretty boo boo, unless it's like Cassandra Nova or someone like that. Moondragon with the mind gem was pathetic. Eternity can be blasted into a coma but these guys can't? Not buying it. ANd Despero Easily man handles Superman. And Supers is stronger than everyone on this list by far. And more durable except maybe the Eternal.

Despero's TP is on another lv that what any of these Marvel guys have faced? You obviously turned a blind eye to the last um.... 45+ years of Marvel comics.

Yet another biased statement. It's an established fact that TP is one of Marvels major strengths.

It's debatable rather or not Superman is stronger at all, let alone by far.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman. ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand. And Boo on you for trying to use a comic where Batman beat Solomongrundy hand to hand. I cannot wait till warhulk comes out so I can use that to pretty much lower the bar on everyone he beats. The same way u try and use a bullshit comic on Despero.

Why not? Despero isn't anything more than Thor's faced off and prevailed against before. Extremely strong, with some powerful tp? Doesn't sound any more powerful Than Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus, of for that matter Cain Marko.

While he may not be as fast or durable he is easily as strong, and his damage soak makes up for what he lacks in durability. Even so, Thor still remains extremely durable.

As said, Despero isn't anything Thor hasn't faced solo before.

It's likely Despero would fall to an anti matter blast, or a magically enhanced hammer bash to the face. His durability isn't what you believe it to be. As others have pointed out, he has been hurt by far less capable beings than Thor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

As others have pointed out, taking full on energy blasts from extremely powerful beings and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is a greater asset than Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

You also have ignored the fact that Thor has faced similar but more powerful beings to Despero in Mangog, and Kurse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, that would be Mjolnir's ability. NOT his own. The hammer isn't dmg soaking a punch. P.S. if we gonna count his hammer's DMg soak, then we sure as hell can count Diana's Bracelets in battles. She trumps them all.

Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the PC is to Surfer, or the GL ring is to Kyle. While it isn't exactly his power, it is a part of him that completes the character.

An extremely powerful hammer with a ridiculous number of powers and abilities easily trumps a pair of bracelets that block things.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How many powers really doesn't mean much. The Impossible man has Trillions of powers by way of the fact that he can be whom ever he wants and gets thier powers. It's the out put that counts. You could throw everything that hammer had at Diana's bracelets. And it wouldn't even scratch them. I was saying that counting Thor's dmg soak via the hammer isn't really fair when talking about FIST. which the hammer does not soak.

Being versatile doesn't mean much? Versatility is one of the most important factors in deciding these battles. To ignore the versatility of a character would be simply contemptible.

Horrible analogy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd you resort to insults when the evidence is handily against you. Thor doesnt Always absorb psy blast. That is the first point. He get's hit too many times by energy attacks and Psy control. Everything Thor can do, so can the JLA times Ten. So making the statement that He'd be a good thor villian is just OFF. If it as easy to over come his Psy powers as you make it, then the JLA would have done so years ago. Despero is a team wrecker and not a good THor Villian. Period. THat would be like me saying Count Nefaria would make a good Wonder Woman villian. WTF. A team wrecker against one Hero?

Hypocrite. Thus far insults are basically all you've contributed to this thread.

Your basically showing us that you have no idea what your talking about.

While vulnerable Thor is still extremely resistant to tp. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by.

The JLA can't do everything Thor can, let alone times ten.

Originally posted by His Airness
Despero's TP is on another lv that what any of these Marvel guys have faced? You obviously turned a blind eye to the last um.... 45+ years of Marvel comics.

Yet another biased statement. It's an established fact that TP is one of Marvels major strengths.

It's debatable rather or not Superman is stronger at all, let alone by far.

Why not? Despero isn't anything more than Thor's faced off and prevailed against before. Extremely strong, with some powerful tp? Doesn't sound any more powerful Than Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus, of for that matter Cain Marko.

While he may not be as fast or durable he is easily as strong, and his damage soak makes up for what he lacks in durability. Even so, Thor still remains extremely durable.

As said, Despero isn't anything Thor hasn't faced solo before.

It's likely Despero would fall to an anti matter blast, or a magically enhanced hammer bash to the face. His durability isn't what you believe it to be. As others have pointed out, he has been hurt by far less capable beings than Thor.

As others have pointed out, taking full on energy blasts from extremely powerful beings and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is a greater asset than Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

You also have ignored the fact that Thor has faced similar but more powerful beings to Despero in Mangog, and Kurse.

Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the PC is to Surfer, or the GL ring is to Kyle. While it isn't exactly his power, it is a part of him that completes the character.

An extremely powerful hammer with a ridiculous number of powers and abilities easily trumps a pair of bracelets that block things.

Being versatile doesn't mean much? Versatility is one of the most important factors in deciding these battles. To ignore the versatility of a character would be simply contemptible.

Horrible analogy.

Hypocrite. Thus far insults are basically all you've contributed to this thread.

Your basically showing us that you have no idea what your talking about.

While vulnerable Thor is still extremely resistant to tp. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by.

The JLA can't do everything Thor can, let alone times ten.

I didnt' care for a thing you said. You said that the JLA can't do everything Thor can do. WRONG. GL can do everything Thor can do. THOR can't do everything the JLA can. Unless he can move as fast as the flash, hand out Imps, phase like manhunter, turn invisible, Make even God's bend to his will, drill to the center of planets only using his hands and more. You calling me a hippcrit means what? Nothing. Thor's DMG said means not a damned thing becuz he's fighting someone with TP and fist. One doesn't have to use TP as blast that can be blocked. How about just taking over someone's mind? Thor's been taken over enough for us to know he's not resistant. Your entire argument is without merit and mired in your own attempt to get in some shots at me. try harder. Thor can never beat Despero where the JLA fail. And he certainly isn't more versatile than THe JLA. Rediculous.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Despero. He can pwn all of them with TP.

This was my first thought. Has it been adressed?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This was my first thought. Has it been adressed?

Many times. The guys seem to think that the team just resist Despero's lvl of tp with ease. I bet if this where THanos's TP they wouldn't say that. and Despero is easily as powerful as Thanos is with TP if not more so.