Originally posted by Kurash
uhh im gonna argue for ice man too, how do you stop absolute zero, unless firelord has matter manip. i dont see that happening
Then again, how do u stop heralds from simply turning off Iceman's mutant gene? Firelord has bad showings, but he still posseses the power cosmic. PC may be a plot device in some eyes, but it still grants Firelord a variety of ways to simply disable Bobby's powers. Then again, in theory, so did Stranger lol. That comic was just a joke.
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Then again, how do u stop heralds from simply turning off Iceman's mutant gene? Firelord has bad showings, but he still posseses the power cosmic. PC may be a plot device in some eyes, but it still grants Firelord a variety of ways to simply disable Bobby's powers. Then again, in theory, so did Stranger lol. That comic was just a joke.
their is no gene for FL to manipulate, omega iceman transcended his physical being.
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Then again, how do u stop heralds from simply turning off Iceman's mutant gene? Firelord has bad showings, but he still posseses the power cosmic. PC may be a plot device in some eyes, but it still grants Firelord a variety of ways to simply disable Bobby's powers. Then again, in theory, so did Stranger lol. That comic was just a joke.
Uhhh heralds can turn off mutant genes?😕
Did they all display that or was it stated that they all could do it?
Originally posted by boriquaking55
with PIS off, Firelord without a doubt.That arc where Bobby was freezing Stranger's eyebeams was a low point in the history of comics.
Did this really happen? If so, that's just stupid. Iceman's powers are not unique at all. From what I gather, Stranger can control subatomic particles, atoms, molecules, etc. In other words, if Iceman tries to rob something of its heat to slow down molecular movement to reduce temperature, Stranger can very easily counter this. Heck, Iceman<Sersi. I honestly think Iceman being Omega is PIS. Look at the PF. Jean is an omega mutant because she can wield the PF. PF is to Jean as Excalibur is to King Arthur. That is the kind of power that can match and beat abstracts. To put Iceman's potential at that level is ridiculous considering the powerset he has. He can't manipulate matter or atoms or subatomic particles or anything.
Originally posted by Soljer
But storm can!😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Oh yeah. Her powerset beats Iceman's by leaps and bounds. Heck, even Magneto's powerset are more impressive than Iceman's. Apacolypse's is too. There are a number of mutants who should have been considered for omega before Iceman. Selene is arguably another one. Same holds true for Sienna Blaze.
Iceman's powers, I don't care how strong he gets in them, are not the kind that can beat heralds or abstracts. Firelord's powerset beats Iceman's hands down because of the inherent nature of the powers of the two characters. Storm's powerset can if wielded on a big enough scale could very conceiveably beat a herald or an abstract. She controls the forces that governs the universe. Iceman can merely absorb heat and has moisture control. Technically, she could do everything Iceman can do and a whole lot more.
Marvel putting Iceman's potential on this level is really a very foolish thing that doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by spidey-dude
HT can turn himself as hot as the sun. can firelord support that ?
It doesn't matter how hot FL becomes, Iceman can stop him completely, in other words, absolute zero.
He wrecked the stranger, not just his eye beams, but the entire stranger himself.
Iceman has also shown he can spread his consciousness to anything and become it, such as the stranger's ship.
Originally posted by Board Walkeri was bringing up if firelord is strong enough to obsorb johnny's flames at his temp
It doesn't matter how hot FL becomes, Iceman can stop him completely, in other words, absolute zero.He wrecked the stranger, not just his eye beams, but the entire stranger himself.
Iceman has also shown he can spread his consciousness to anything and become it, such as the stranger's ship.
Originally posted by Board Walkeri dont know much about firelord so i cant say who wins and who doesnt. firestorm of course can take out firelord im sure. taking his powers.
Oh my bad, FL really surpasses Johny though....unless Johny further evolves as some of the FF story arcs have stated that the FF keep evolving; or maybe it was just thing.
Originally posted by Board Walker
It doesn't matter how hot FL becomes, Iceman can stop him completely, in other words, absolute zero.He wrecked the stranger, not just his eye beams, but the entire stranger himself.
Iceman has also shown he can spread his consciousness to anything and become it, such as the stranger's ship.
There has to be moisture for him to spread his consciousness to. Outside of that, anyone who can manipulate matter at the subatomic level can very easily get rid of the moisture in the area or if they can control moisture themselves, they can fight him over it.
Heat does work against Iceman, BTW. If a character can generate heat or in anyway accelerate molecular movement, it can counter Bobby's power. It would come down to who can overpower whom and who can wield their powers in greater quantity. However, IIRC, FL has matter manipulation too. That means he can turn Bobby into a turnip and end the fight that way and won't have to use his heat-generating ability to try and overload Iceman's heat-pumping abilities.
Originally posted by Kurash
uhh im gonna argue for ice man too, how do you stop absolute zero, unless firelord has matter manip. i dont see that happening
I’m no expert on Firelord but there really no reason he couldn’t have matter manipulation abilities. IIRC, all heralds of Galactus have basically the same abilities but have different ways of accessing it.
Anyway…
Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object
By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.
Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see Bobby being able to freeze a miniature star.
Originally posted by HandOfFatewell the info you put about FL id say bobby gets melted there cause hes fought johnny before and he got his butt kicked there as well. and looks like this dude is stronger than johnny
I’m no expert on Firelord but there really no reason he couldn’t have matter manipulation abilities. IIRC, all heralds of Galactus have the basic same abilities but have different ways of accessing it.Anyway…
Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object
By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.
Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see Bobby being able to freeze a miniature star.