Iceman versus Firelord!

Iceman is a good fighter. He does have some power. However, I can't see him beating one who wields the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Heat does work against Iceman, BTW. If a character can generate heat or in anyway accelerate molecular movement, it can counter Bobby's power. It would come down to who can overpower whom and who can wield their powers in greater quantity.

Agreed

Why should I assume that Bobby's powers are greater then the Human Torch or Firelord or anybodies whose abilities agitate molecules? Fire starters do the exact opposite of Iceman, so this would more then likely come down to a battle of wills.

Can Bobby win ----- maybe ----- but this is not a sure thing

Originally posted by Rutog98
There has to be moisture for him to spread his consciousness to. Outside of that, anyone who can manipulate matter at the subatomic level can very easily get rid of the moisture in the area or if they can control moisture themselves, they can fight him over it.

Heat does work against Iceman, BTW. If a character can generate heat or in anyway accelerate molecular movement, it can counter Bobby's power. It would come down to who can overpower whom and who can wield their powers in greater quantity. However, IIRC, FL has matter manipulation too. That means he can turn Bobby into a turnip and end the fight that way and won't have to use his heat-generating ability to try and overload Iceman's heat-pumping abilities.

This is not true, Iceman spread his consciousness to the stranger's tech and controlled it, their was no moisture in that tech, he moved through the strangers ship to all parts of instantly, he wasnt using the moisture to move.

Secondly sub molecular control will do nothing to iceman, as iceman himself is intangible, he is the one controll everything sub molecular, the stranger has extreme sub molecular control and Iceman out powered him in that respect.

Originally posted by Board Walker
This is not true, Iceman spread his consciousness to the stranger's tech and controlled it, their was no moisture in that tech, he moved through the strangers ship to all parts of instantly, he wasnt using the moisture to move.

Secondly sub molecular control will do nothing to iceman, as iceman himself is intangible, he is the one controll everything sub molecular, the stranger has extreme sub molecular control and Iceman out powered him in that respect.

IIRC, there was even some moisture in his tech. It mayhave been collected humidity or what-have-you. Can scans be posted with the explanation. I have not read the story since it came out. From what I remembered, it had to do with water what Iceman did. If that is the case, then Stranger was written down here.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
who wins firelord or johnny storm ?

pyreus

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Iceman is a good fighter. He does have some power. However, I can't see him beating one who wields the power cosmic.

hmm....Firelord served Galactus. Bobby knows Oblivion. Oblivion>Galactus.....Bobby=Firelord=Stalemate 😄

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Agreed

Why should I assume that Bobby's powers are greater then the Human Torch or Firelord or anybodies whose abilities agitate molecules? Fire starters do the exact opposite of Iceman, so this would more then likely come down to a battle of wills.

Can Bobby win ----- maybe ----- but this is not a sure thing

And what works against Iceman more is FL is not limited by just trying to suck in enough heat/generate enough heat/agitate the molecules themsevles to try and overcome Iceman, he has has atomic manipulation like Sersi on top of it. FL is more powerful than Sersi. He can come at Iceman that way as well. His powers are far more versatile and potent than Iceman's. Iceman's powers are too limited to be battling cosmics.

until its proved that FL has matter manipulation, which im just sayin it does but no ones brought up hard evidence to prove he does and its not listed as a power of his on any websit, i dont see him countering absolute zero of any of the other powers iceman has displayed at his best showings

The thing is, it doesn't have to be proved. IT'S THE FREAKING POWER COSMIC. 😆 Plus, he's got stuff like that in his respect thread, so the point is moot.

Bobby's power is one dimensional. It's a very good dimension, but still one dimensional. Firelord on the other hand, despite his primary ability being seemingly one dimension, is very versatile. Power cosmic is essentially a plot device power, it's almost as bad as magic. Now, before Annihilation, I'd have said Bobby had a shot of pulling out 3/10 wins. maybe 4. Having seem FL when he's pissed off and reading his respect thread, has changed my mind, to say the least.

Firelord 10/10. Unless he pulls another SMvsFL, he really shouldn't lose this one.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The thing is, it doesn't have to be proved. IT'S THE FREAKING POWER COSMIC. 😆 Plus, he's got stuff like that in his respect thread, so the point is moot.

So because its the power cosmic, that automatically means he has matter manipulation? You'll have to excuse me for not taking your word for it. I went through his respect thread and didnt see any matter manipulation feats. If you can get those scans it would be appreciated. Maybe i missed something.

It's part of the powerset. It's like saying a specific Kryptonian doesn't have heat vision just because you haven't seen them demonstrate it.

Or a specific human doesn't have a gall bladder just because you've never seen it.

Originally posted by Board Walker
It doesn't matter how hot FL becomes, Iceman can stop him completely, in other words, absolute zero.

He wrecked the stranger, not just his eye beams, but the entire stranger himself.

Iceman has also shown he can spread his consciousness to anything and become it, such as the stranger's ship.

Absolute Zero, that's right, because Firestorm doesn't fly through Space and all that.

Firestorm can manipulate matter, this is a win.

When did Firelord Get matter manip? To my knowlege ONly surfer really does that of the heralds. Until the heralds use said abilities, It can't be counted that all of them have the same powers or even the same skills with the powers. I don't doubt that surfer could make cosmic fire, but he isn't going to be doing it in any way that is even comparible to firelord. So much bullshit when it comes to the power cosmic and the heralds. It's sickening. If Firelord is not more powerful than the stranger, then he can go down the same way the stranger did. Cosmic Fire or not. He isn't a matter manip, he isn't a telepath he isn't magic. Those are the things I see beating Omega Iceman.

You know what I've heard a lot of people talking about Iceman doing absolute zero but then again I've never actually seen Iceman do Aboslute Zero before

A) Its firelord

B) Space is three degrees above absolute zero

Can someone show matter manipulation from Firestom? If he hasnt done it, im gonnna assume he cant and wouldnt consider it a useable tactic in getting a win here.

As far as Kryptonians go, i wont assume any Kryptonian can do heat vision off the bat. It may have to be learned or gained through puberty or something.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) Its firelord

B) Space is three degrees above absolute zero

The difference is infinite in comparison to absolute zero and 1 degree above absolute zero.

Iceman has created absolute zero at least once, but he had help and didn't do it alone

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can someone show matter manipulation from Firestom? If he hasnt done it, im gonnna assume he cant and wouldnt consider it a useable tactic in getting a win here.

As far as Kryptonians go, i wont assume any Kryptonian can do heat vision off the bat. It may have to be learned or gained through puberty or something.

Firestorm does manipulate matter. and quite Well. We how ever are talking about FireLORD.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Iceman has created absolute zero at least once, but he had help and didn't do it alone