Don "Imus in the morning show" cancelled on MSNBC channel due to racist remarks.

Started by Schecter11 pages

what i am talking about is the complete lack of violation of freedom of speech. such an infringement would mean the government actually stepping in and attempting to prosecute or at least silence them.
nothing like this happened, yet i see "freedom of speech" echoed over and over

Originally posted by Devil King
ouch, then what?

then the recording industry turned into scum who wish to corrupt the youth for prophit. superficial materialistic kids do alot of shopping, and thats all they care about.
you think its a rap thing? follow the disney trail all the way to britany spears' publically exposed rotten snatch. we are raising a nation of stupid consumer whores. i agree.

however this is the act of a radio station/media outlet firing an employee because as i pointed out a page or so back, it was the will of 'the people' to threaten boycott against their sponsors. this is not possible when dealing with the recording industry. thats why its completely and utterly unrelated in every way, other than the fact that they (DJ's & recording artists) have the ability to directly influence everyone via their media.

Originally posted by chithappens
LOL I know but that was just stupid. I know the streotypes of Punk Rock but I wouldn't name the few bands I do know of a genre I do not listen to and just say "Yeah those guys are just bad!"

He never said those guys were bad or good. He was using them to illustrate a totally seperate point.

These entire theatrics were completely ludicrous. Death to Al Sharpton

Originally posted by Schecter
follow the disney trail all the way to britany spears' publically exposed rotten snatch.

Maybe my favorite thing you've ever said.

what doesnt help are the one-liner extremist troll comments.
it has killed the thread and sent good points zooming to 3 pages ago

Originally posted by Schecter

then the recording industry turned into scum who wish to corrupt the youth for prophit. superficial materialistic kids do alot of shopping, and thats all they care about.

Agreed

Originally posted by Schecter
what doesnt help are the one-liner extremist troll comments.
it has killed the thread and sent good points zooming to 3 pages ago

which is why i said it needs to be closed.

report it then. the more we discuss it the more we become part of the problem, yes?

:edit: ive grown to live with the fact that half my words will end up missed because of just this type of shit. welcome to kmc 😬

I found this story interesting...

Duke case shows: Hurtful stereotypes come in all colors
April 11, 2007
By Mike Freeman
CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

They were a group of athletes, verbally brutalized, stereotyped, blasphemed, treated horribly by a sometimes insane system and arrogant, bullying media.

No, I'm not talking about the proud and wonderful women from the Rutgers University basketball team.

Life has changed forever for Reade Seligmann, David Evans and Collin Finnerty. (AP)
I'm talking about the Duke University lacrosse players.

We have seen the justifiable outrage over the wronged Rutgers players who have displayed their intellectual prowess and stiff upper lip in front of an entire nation.

But where is the outcry?

Over the white guys.

Indeed, they have demonstrated an even tougher resolve after being called rapists and racists, and when sexual assault charges were dropped Wednesday afternoon by a legal system that suddenly grew a conscience, you practically heard crickets chirping.

We often think of ourselves in this country as so advanced when it comes to issues of race. Of course we have traversed far from the days of racial restrictions, marginalization, murdered men and shattered dreams.

Yet if you want to see how far we have not come, just examine the particulars of two important stories over the past 48 hours, stories that one day will be possibly seen as almost culture-changing, and certainly, as cautionary tales.

Donald Imus spews his hurtful and hateful words, using the airwaves as a verbal noose, and an army of people mobilize.

He played on pedantic and ancient stereotypes of blacks as unkempt and unattractive.

In the Duke case, there was stereotypical stereotyping as well. Many people, including myself -- and this is a hard admission to make -- quickly assumed the Duke kids were guilty.

Many of us, almost an entire country, played on stereotypes of white men as abusers of power, flaunting their wealth and credit cards and societal advantages, and stated: Yep, those bastards did it.

They were Duke kids, rich kids, befriending strippers and partying hard. They were punks to us. Yep, those bastards must have done it.

The Rutgers women are of high moral character; I don't see them hiring strippers for a party, so the Duke players are cads in that regard.

Still, when it was revealed the Duke men were innocent of such ugly charges, their freedom coming after months of slowly twisting in the racially charged winds, there should have been worldwide apologies, an entire America wiping the mud off of their bodies and legacies, the stories of their innocence sitting Shiva on the front page of every newspaper and leading the cover of every website.

In other words, the Duke men should have gotten the Imus and Rutgers treatment. They've gotten far from that. Far from it.

The Sharptons and Jacksons and black civil leaders on and around the Duke campus should approach these men and say: We know what it is like to be falsely accused. It has happened to our people for hundreds of years. No one knows what it is like to be abused by the legal system like us. We'd like to offer our support. What can we do to help?

That should occur, but you know it never will.

Every black person who thought they were guilty as hell should now look at them and sympathize. Maybe even, in whatever way possible, apologize.

There should be a great expression of outrage from blacks who were lied to and manipulated by a both a woman who made up false tales and a prosecutor suckered by her.

These players will never get their names back. Any type of normalcy is over for them. Their only recourse will be some sort of civil remedy, but to some, they will always be the Duke rape guys, no matter who they sue or how much money they might be awarded some day.

Two stories, two entirely different reactions, a nation thinking it is more racially advanced than it truly is.

Sports is not the mythical melting pot, either. More like a boiling one.

There are subtle differences, of course, in the two cases, but if we were as racially smart as we claim to be, there would be blacks lining up to sympathize with the Duke guys and millions of white listeners refusing to ever listen to Imus or Stern or the other racial shock jerks ever again.

We're so smug when it comes to race, we're so smart. We think we know all about the topic. We think we have the riddle solved.

We're all full of crap. We're full of it because the CBS SportsLine.com message boards at the bottom of this column will be lit up with racial slurs and various stupidities. My e-mail box will overflow with letters from grand dragon wanna-be's as well as blacks accusing me of being an Uncle Tom.

We're full of crap because just how many steps have we taken since Al Campanis, Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder, the dope Fuzzy Zoeller, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Richards and Michael Irvin?

Round and round we go on this little racial merry-go-round like those cute little hamsters in a cage.

Two different cases, two different reactions, one still racially confused America.

And it will be that way, unfortunately, for a long time to come.

Until we all grow up.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main10121203.shtml

Originally posted by Schecter
what i am talking about is the complete lack of violation of freedom of speech. such an infringement would mean the government actually stepping in and attempting to prosecute or at least silence them.
nothing like this happened, yet i see "freedom of speech" echoed over and over

then the recording industry turned into scum who wish to corrupt the youth for prophit. superficial materialistic kids do alot of shopping, and thats all they care about.
you think its a rap thing? follow the disney trail all the way to britany spears' publically exposed rotten snatch. we are raising a nation of stupid consumer whores. i agree.

however this is the act of a radio station/media outlet firing an employee because as i pointed out a page or so back, it was the will of 'the people' to threaten boycott against their sponsors. this is not possible when dealing with the recording industry. thats why its completely and utterly unrelated in every way, other than the fact that they (DJ's & recording artists) have the ability to directly influence everyone via their media.

Listen if these things are not interrelated in your opinion then you are self deluded. Do you think Imus would say what he said if he didn't realize that black rappers are saying it and people are loving them for it. They are made richer and are profiting much better for their labels.

Meh.

Originally posted by Schecter
report it then. the more we discuss it the more we become part of the problem, yes?

:edit: ive grown to live with the fact that half my words will end up missed because of just this type of shit. welcome to kmc 😬

Suck it up nancy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Many of us, almost an entire country, played on stereotypes of white men as abusers of power, flaunting their wealth and credit cards and societal advantages, and stated: Yep, those bastards did it.

They were Duke kids, rich kids, befriending strippers and partying hard. They were punks to us. Yep, those bastards must have done it.

You mean to telll me that if I work my tail off my entire life to provide for my family and children--and I succeed beyond my expectations--my children are going to be called rich, white, pompous, jerkish, punk, bratty, spoiled mama's boys, and the only thing they did to deserve that was to be born to hard-working parents?

P.S. I already know the answer to this. Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Originally posted by KidRock
If a black radio jockey said "damn Harvard rowing team..buncha honkeys"

Would anyone here like to bet that it wouldnt even make the backpage of the new york times? Any takers?

Ah, good ol' double standards in America. Racial equality indeed(unless your white of course..then you get the shaft)

"Getting the shaft". We "got the shaft" from 1865 to 1965 and on, and you're all are bitchin' about discrimination? And lets no talk about before that time.

You people must've forgotten about the period in those one hundred years. About the "real" shaft that was delivered by Whites in this country during that time period. And you all are bitchin now? You people are experiencing what has happened and will pass in a fews day. Try going through it everyday for a half-millennia in this country. And, at the time, without complaining about it like you all are now doing.

How does it taste like?

I'm so sick to fcukin' death with this racism sh*t, with Americans.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
"Getting the shaft". We "got the shaft" from 1865 to 1965 and on, and you're all are bitchin' about discrimination? And lets no talk about before that time.

You people must've forgotten about the period in those one hundred years. About the "real" shaft that was delivered by Whites in this country during that time period. And you all are bitchin now? You people are experiencing what has happened and will pass in a fews day. Try going through it everyday for a half-millennia in this country. And, at the time, without complaining about it like you all are now doing.

How does it taste like?

I'm so sick to fcukin' death with this racism sh*t, with Americans.

1) Discrimination/racism now to make up for past discrimination/racism is still wrong.

2) No one who ever experienced slavery is around today, so don't compare your petty hardships of being called names to the true hardships that slaves endured. It is insulting to what those people had to go through.

3) Millions and millions of white people died to correct the atrocity that was slavery, remember, blacks did not free themselves.

4) You're sick of racism, yet you're the biggest offender in this forum.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) Discrimination/racism now to make up for past discrimination/racism is still wrong.

2) No one who ever experienced slavery is around today, so don't compare your petty hardships of being called names to the true hardships that slaves endured. It is insulting to what those people had to go through.

3) Millions and millions of white people died to correct the atrocity that was slavery, remember, blacks did not free themselves.

4) You're sick of racism, yet you're the biggest offender in this forum.

1) Whether people look at it as revenge or sticking it to "The Man" or whether it's is looked at as contemporary Whites now enjoying historical privileges, past and present, educationally and fiscally via the economics the slave trade offered and still offers is one thing. But saying "we can discriminate and you can't do it to us because our "harsh" discrimination towards you happened in the past", is another thing.

2) Petty hardships? You try not being White, just for a day in this country, and you see how petty it is. Don't compare what i go through with what you go through. So make no mistake about that cause there is no comparison. And insulting. Nothing is more insulting that what's happened. Why do you think there's stupid fckin' guilt?

3) Millions and millions of Whites have died to correct the atrocity of slavery? can you provide evidence from a reliable source and not wiki. Blacks did not free them selves and Abe Lincoln did. Did you know that the emancipation proclamation didn't for a long while after it was enacted and when it supposedly and finally enforced there were still slaves in captivity, in the US, past 1865?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
1) Whether people look at it as revenge or sticking it to "The Man" or whether it's is looked at as contemporary Whites now enjoying historical privileges, past and present, educationally and fiscally via the economics the slave trade offered and still offers is one thing. But saying "we can discriminate and you can't do it to us because our "harsh" discrimination towards you happened in the past", is another thing.

2) Petty hardships? You try not being White, just for a day in this country, and you see how petty it is. Don't compare what i go through with what you go through. So make no mistake about that cause there is no comparison. And insulting. Nothing is more insulting that what's happened. Why do you think there's stupid fckin' guilt?

3) Millions and millions of Whites have died to correct the atrocity of slavery? can you provide evidence from a reliable source and not wiki. Blacks did not free them selves and Abe Lincoln did. Did you know that the emancipation proclamation didn't for a long while after it was enacted and when it supposedly and finally enforced there were still slaves in captivity, in the US, past 1865?

1) Not all "Whites" enjoy privileges simply because they are born white, not even the majority, so get that nonsense out of your head. Your "sticking it to the man" IS racism.

2) Yes, your hardships are ****ing petty compared to what I can only imagine slaves went through 150 years ago. Try being "white" for a day and not being the lucky "upper-crust". You act like every Caucasian in this country is born with a silver spoon is his/her mouth and every black person is born with a heel on the back of his/her head. It just isn't so, if you'd let go of your hatred and racist ways, you'd see that. There's guilt because people are told they should feel guilty about something they had NOTHING to do with, they're being stupid sheep and people like you bank on it.

3) WTF? So the civil war soldiers dead is/was faked? The civil war itself was fake? Okay, not "millions", several hundred thousand (500,000+). I know things for blacks didn't turn all "happy" immediately after the civil war. What do you expect though, things do not happen overnight but it was a change in the right direction and "whites" paid for slavery with the price of blood. The fact that we may have a President of black heritage should tell you something about progress.

Originally posted by LordFear
Listen if these things are not interrelated in your opinion then you are self deluded. Do you think Imus would say what he said if he didn't realize that black rappers are saying it and people are loving them for it. They are made richer and are profiting much better for their labels.

if you cant get the point than perhaps you should not address mine and just continue posting "death to al sharpton" or whatever it is you insist on parrotting.
if i can see that someone who actually makes an effort to have a geinuine debate has misunderstood me, i will happily clarify. this however is not one of those cases

remember, you have to understand a point before you can attempt to refute it.
thnxbye

Re: Don "Imus in the morning show" cancelled on MSNBC channel due to racist remarks.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Good. I'm glad he was fired. And i hope CBS radio follows suit.

He pulled a Mike Richards and paid good for it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18063270/

He was fired. Great. Where did this term "nappy headed ho's" come from? Because I know he didn't come up with it himself.

I'm not trying to make light of a racial slur, or racial conflicts. However, this specific term or terms has it's roots in the black community. And there it was created as a misogynistic label for black women in the ghetto. If things like this being said is truly a problem than why is it only a problem when a white guy says it?

It's a direct contridiction to "everyone is created equal."