Where does "The Crunch" come into the origin of the Marvel Universe?

In heralds of Galactus 2 it becomes clear that all "Cosmic experts" theories on the Marvel Universe are not quite right. We have Cosmic Consonance to follow. The energy of the Crunch is certainly not the Phoenix Force or a manifestation of Eternity or the Power Primordial yet it is the Energy that started the Universe according to "Mr Purple Skirt Fork Hat". Galactus is above Chaos and Order according to this issue also. So is it time we threw away the rule book and just accepted things change weekly at Marvel and enjoy the great stories?

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Interesting question..one i am pondering myself
Phoenix could still be the catalyst for the crunch-she just starts the events that lead to and ending and a rebirth of an universe,

Here is some more questions

Is galactus the same as these primordial gods?
Were each of them a survivor of a previous universe?
Is Galactus's mission of consonance=Power?
Galactus killed the leader and imprisoned the rest,is there no debate one on one Galactus wins against them?

Crunch.....It sounds like a cereal name.ermm

Originally posted by starlock
Interesting question..one i am pondering myself
Phoenix could still be the catalyst for the crunch-she just starts the events that lead to and ending and a rebirth of an universe,

Here is some more questions

Is galactus the same as these primordial gods?
Were each of them a survivor of a previous universe?
Is Galactus's mission of consonance=Power?
Galactus killed the leader and imprisoned the rest,is there no debate one on one Galactus wins against them?

I don't think Phoenix starts the cunch, I think the crunch is a reference to anoutdated idea in Physics. That of the self perpetuating Universal cycle where everything returns to the primordial crunch before the cycle stars again.

No he is not the same they were created by the energy in the crunch as avatars of cosmic consonance (is that Eternity? I don't think so). He was not he states Cosmic Consonance gave him a higher purpose and his language that issues sets himself from before them.

The "Last Galactus story" has him turn to face an adversary, he was seen as the Universes protector.

Who knows, Marvel seem to change things at a whim.

In Annihilation prologue, the Crunch was described as a barrier at the edge of the universe.

According to modern scientific theories, the physical universe has no edge or barrier, it loops back in on itself, so if you go far enough, you'll end up back where you started from. So therefore the Marvel 616 universe must have different cosmology from our own (of course we knew that already).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
According to modern scientific theories, the physical universe has no edge or barrier, it loops back in on itself, so if you go far enough, you'll end up back where you started from.

Grant it that's just a theory, but still... 😕

Originally posted by Endless Mike
In Annihilation prologue, the Crunch was described as a barrier at the edge of the universe.

According to modern scientific theories, the physical universe has no edge or barrier, it loops back in on itself, so if you go far enough, you'll end up back where you started from. So therefore the Marvel 616 universe must have different cosmology from our own (of course we knew that already).

Yes that's how space/time works as a self contained "Bubble' a bit like a mobius strip in our Universe. So the crunch is abit like the Source Wall in DC? The edge of one and the start of another Universe interesting.

Originally posted by Galan007
Now how in the hell can any scientist(s) possibly know that?

Grant it that's just a theory, but still... 😕

By modeling the curvature of space with deep space instruments and such.... very technical. I'm no expert on it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
By modeling the curvature of space with deep space instruments and such.... very technical. I'm no expert on it.

Yes it's to do with how the Galaxies are moving apart they appear on a curve or bubble which itself is expanding. It's still only a theory.

Well technically a scientific theory is different from a hypothesis, as a scientific theory is a model that explains observations, but it can be changed or even discarded if new evidence appears that contradicts it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well technically a scientific theory is different from a hypothesis, as a scientific theory is a model that explains observations, but it can be changed or even discarded if new evidence appears that contradicts it.

It certainly can like the joining of the laws of conservation of mass and energy into the first Law of Thermodynamics.

So how do you think the crunch impacts on Marvels cosmic hierarchy? I think it's another retconn.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
It certainly can like the joining of the laws of conservation of mass and energy into the first Law of Thermodynamics.

Originally posted by Galan007
Those two go hand in hand though. (especially when talking about heat)

They do since Einstein recognised Mass as a form of energy, they did not prior to this.

Anyway, back on topic, another idea I have is that it could possibly just be a barrier between the 616 universe and the Negative zone, as that's where the Annihilation Wave emerged from

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
They do since Einstein recognised Mass as a form of energy, they did not prior to this.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Anyway, back on topic, another idea I have is that it could possibly just be a barrier between the 616 universe and the Negative zone, as that's where the Annihilation Wave emerged from

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
In heralds of Galactus 2 it becomes clear that all "Cosmic experts" theories on the Marvel Universe are not quite right. We have Cosmic Consonance to follow. The energy of the Crunch is certainly not the Phoenix Force or a manifestation of Eternity or the Power Primordial yet it is the Energy that started the Universe according to "Mr Purple Skirt Fork Hat". Galactus is above Chaos and Order according to this issue also. So is it time we threw away the rule book and just accepted things change weekly at Marvel and enjoy the great stories?

The technical term for physics and cosmology in Marvel is known as:

"sententia quisquis sanus bonus gratia planto fabula opus"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The technical term for physics and cosmology in Marvel is known as:

"sententia quisquis sanus bonus gratia planto fabula opus"

Latin, right? Can we have a translation?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Latin, right? Can we have a translation?

Roughly it means:

"Saying whatever sounds good in order to make the story work"