TOAA and Presence are overrated

Started by Einer3 pages

TOAA and Presence are overrated

They are not omnipotent. Not omniscience beings (excuse my bad english, i am german) and have never shown signs of omnipresence.

TOAA and Presence was surpassed by the Brothers, as they would never just let their dimensions get fused without appearing. And why didnt they just choosed to eist BEYOND the Brothers? They are omnipotent, shouldnt that be a small feat? NO.

And Living Tribunal is claimed as omniscient, he shall have known that Thanos would get the Heart of the Universe and trumph him and stopped him, which he didnt.

So... No Omnipowers in comics,only really strong realityshaping😉

Hey Judge.

Are there any concrete evidence in omnipotence, omniscience or omnipresence in comics?

Re: TOAA and Presence are overrated

Originally posted by Einer
They are not omnipotent. Not omniscience beings (excuse my bad english, i am german) and have never shown signs of omnipresence.

I will treat you like you arent the judge, even though you are.
I'll rest in my case.

TOAA and Presence was surpassed by the Brothers, as they would never just let their dimensions get fused without appearing. And why didnt they just choosed to eist BEYOND the Brothers? They are omnipotent, shouldnt that be a small feat? NO.

The-One-Above-All and the Presnece don't actually have any real features, there are some theories, which brings us to the writers and editors.
The Brothers however was supose to represent the staff of Marvel and DC, so they were stated to be supreme.
But the Brothers affection is irrelevant since it's non canon material, Amalgam = non canon, pluss, they're retconned.

But it's like saying if The-One-Above-All didn't exist, and neither would his power've had (the Heart) then you could say that the Living Tribunal is omnipotent, because he can do anything short of opposing The-One-Above-All, so if he isnt there the Living Tribunal could do anything.

And Living Tribunal is claimed as omniscient, he shall have known that Thanos would get the Heart of the Universe and trumph him and stopped him, which he didnt.

If The-One-Above-All had a plan, then he could've made the Living Tribunal follow it ...

So... No Omnipowers in comics,only really strong realityshaping😉

Well there is omnipotence at many levels. As I said, the only thing the Living Tribunal cannot do is do something against The-One-Above-All's will, same goes for others.

So, yes omnipotence is illustrated at prime in comics.

Originally posted by Estacado
Hey Judge.

My thoughts exactly ✅

Yet, Living Tribunal is beneath Molecule Man and Pre-Retcon Beyonder?

And omnipotence is ABOSULUTE POWER, it cant be on many levels, as that would mean omnipotence bests omnipotence

Is Judge some Image comic character?

Originally posted by Einer
Yet, Living Tribunal is beneath Molecule Man and Pre-Retcon Beyonder?

And omnipotence is ABOSULUTE POWER, it cant be on many levels, as that would mean omnipotence bests omnipotence


Well I was talking about current.
But I'll make it easier on you, if no one above the Living tribunal would exist, then the Living Tribunal would have full control of the Marvel Omniverse, Absolute Power, as you call it. He would be able to do anything.

Re: Re: TOAA and Presence are overrated

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I will treat you like you arent the judge, even though you are.
I'll rest in my case.

The-One-Above-All and the Presnece don't actually have any real features, there are some theories, which brings us to the writers and editors.
The Brothers however was supose to represent the staff of Marvel and DC, so they were stated to be supreme.
But the Brothers affection is irrelevant since it's non canon material, Amalgam = non canon, pluss, they're retconned.

But it's like saying if The-One-Above-All didn't exist, and neither would his power've had (the Heart) then you could say that the Living Tribunal is omnipotent, because he can do anything short of opposing The-One-Above-All, so if he isnt there the Living Tribunal could do anything.

If The-One-Above-All had a plan, then he could've made the Living Tribunal follow it ...

Well there is omnipotence at many levels. As I said, the only thing the Living Tribunal cannot do is do something against The-One-Above-All's will, same goes for others.

So, yes omnipotence is illustrated at prime in comics.

And we must not forget you name thanos Thanos with HOTU was far beyond anything els, we have ever seen, and it was shown that it was the TOAA's powers now if he absorbed a multiverse ore a universe don't care he was omnipotente and still had restiction on him preformed by TOAA, so yes TOAA is supreme in marvel in any single way. Just not reality warpers, no litterally the GOD in oure religion.

Originally posted by Einer
Is Judge some Image comic character?

Either you're some unknown guy from comicbookresources or narutofan, or your just a sock of a member refered to as the judge.

But no you're not the judge ...

Originally posted by Einer
Yet, Living Tribunal is beneath Molecule Man and Pre-Retcon Beyonder?

And omnipotence is ABOSULUTE POWER, it cant be on many levels, as that would mean omnipotence bests omnipotence

Only according to some people that is for you to decide what you think.

And yes Omnipotente can be on many levels, in comic not in reality, like infinity, there can be different levels of infinity like

1.2.3...... and so on
2.4.6...... and so on

both continue infinite but the one order is higher then the other thus different levels of infinity exist, this is really difficuelt to comprehend for me the first time i heard it

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Originally posted by Utrigita
And we must not forget you name thanos Thanos with HOTU was far beyond anything els, we have ever seen, and it was shown that it was the TOAA's powers now if he absorbed a multiverse ore a universe don't care he was omnipotente and still had restiction on him preformed by TOAA, so yes TOAA is supreme in marvel in any single way. Just not reality warpers, no litterally the GOD in oure religion.

Not if we go by non canon material.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Not if we go by non canon material.

you said yourself that was non canon a minut ago ore so decide please, because I am debating in this thread only on canon.

So, in comics, there can not be any form of ultimate power, as the possibility of a power surpassing it exists?

And thanos_thotu, haha, i dunno naruto, but have been a member of comicbookresources once😉 for this judgeguy? nah...

Originally posted by Einer
So, in comics, there can not be any form of ultimate power, as the possibility of a power surpassing it exists?

And thanos_thotu, haha, i dunno naruto, but have been a member of comicbookresources once😉 for this judgeguy? nah...


Comicbookresources suck ... Worst forum out there, where fanboyims surpasses omnipotence ect.

How do you define ultimate power?
If you mean a limit, then yes, "infinity + 1" is and will always be a solution.
But then again, nowhere would it be impossible to surpass a limit, in no anime/manga not even in the bible.

But if you see power as authority then the (pre-retcon) Brothers would have the most through all fiction, not just comics.
Since they were to represent the staff of Marvel and DC, so they didn't have the power of just a writer or a editor, but the entire companies.

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Originally posted by Utrigita
you said yourself that was non canon a minut ago ore so decide please, because I am debating in this thread only on canon.

Read the text above the picture "If we go by--"

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Read the text above the picture "If we go by--"

Okay yes then that changes it...

(when is mister master coming running in here screaming THEY WHERE WARPED ???)

Re: Re: TOAA and Presence are overrated

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
the Presnece don't actually have any real features, there are some theories, which brings us to the writers and editors.
hmm

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credit goes to Skeets.

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Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay yes then that changes it...

(when is mister master coming running in here screaming THEY WHERE WARPED ???)


Well he "gave up" on me after he couldent find a scan that proved that they were nearly obliterated.

Yeah, comicbookresources are very fanboyish, the reason i left. but not a bad forum, just infected.

but then, there IS no omnipotence in amrvel or dc, only REALLY high realityshaping levels, as ONE omnipotent being should be beyond the reast