Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) vs Darth Vader (ESB) in Space!

Started by Count Makashi3 pages

Ouch, i didn't know much about any of the fighters, i just assumed that, if Vader had 20 more years he would have a better fighter, because of evolving technology, but if focally stated that Delta fighter is better, Ok then i agree, Anakin WINS, happy now. (I get the feeling that your in Dominatrix and related stuff)

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Anakin WINS, happy now.

No, because I never so much as stated who would win this match up; merely that Anakin's starfighter is far more exceptional.

Although, Anakin would more than likely win, anyways.

I get the feeling that your in Dominatrix and related stuff)

You know, I get that a lot, surprisingly.

I don't think its that surprisingly.

Here's what the OS site says about Vader's TIE.

"Developed to Darth Vader's specifications, Sienar Fleet Systems constructed the TIE Advanced x1 as a predecessor to their later cutting edge fighters, the TIE Avenger and the TIE interceptor. Like the standard TIE fighter, the x1 prototype features powerful twin laser cannons and two solar gather panels that provide power to the ship's systems. Twin ion engines propel the craft at amazing speeds.
Unlike the standard TIE/ln starfighter, the x1 had a much more robust spaceframe, with reinforced durasteel-alloy hull, providing greater protection from enemy fire and stability during strenuous maneuvers. Also, abandoning previous Imperial design policies, considerable resources were spent to make the TIE Advanced hyperspace-capable, and the fighter was even equipped with deflector shields."

It doesn't show any comparisons to the Delta class, nor does it give specs on the ship. But one thing that is evident, is that it is superior to the regular TIE's.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Because he didn't have as much practice, so, naturally, his piloting reflexes would go down. It was said that they didn't decrease by the time of RODV, which was when he was still in practice, by ESB they'd have gone down since he rarely flew, that I know of. I may reconsider, if you can list several instances where he flew not long before ESB.
It's funny how being out of practice for Ben is no big deal, but for Vader (who was a prodigal pilot and natural beast at it) it is. You have no idea how much he flew. And you don't lose experience...ever. How much do you think he flew before he was the only human to be able to pilot a podracer? You ever hear that expression, "it's like riding a bike, you never forget." Its just like that. Add in the fact that he was THE BEST pilot, and him taking some time off doesn't seem that it would hinder his abilities too much. And when he was out pwning rebel pilots, that wasn't long before ESB.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
It doesn't make sense that his piloting skills would have remained as good, given that his force connection went down exponentially. His reflexes, and general precognition would have severely gone down. The quote is likely referring to his technical piloting ability.
Skills give way to ability and ability is a window to skills. Either way you slice it, he couldn't have decreased.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
It doesn't show any comparisons to the Delta class, nor does it give specs on the ship. But one thing that is evident, is that it is superior to the regular TIE's.

And The New Essential Guide to Vehicle and Vessels does give statistics for both the TIE Advanced, and the Delta-7. So, your point is what exactly?

Everything I stated came directly from that book, or was otherwise made by using reason.

Originally posted by Advent
Really, an official source dictates that the TIE line (even the model Vader uses) has absolutely nothing on the Delta type crafts.

When I read this, I read quickly and thought it said "site" rather than "source", my mistake. I seem to be the only person here who can admit to a mistake. So thats the only reason I wrote that.

It's fine.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I seem to be the only person here who can admit to a mistake.

That's actually rather true. Not many would do that (I certainly wouldn't on most, if any, occasions [as rare as they are] lol).

Props to you.

So only 10 lashes tonight, Mistress? j/k

Originally posted by Advent
You do realize that the TIE line of starfighters are a completely separate class than that of the Delta series, correct? That's like ordering PS3 parts for an Xbox 360.

Really, an official source dictates that the TIE line (even the model Vader uses) has absolutely nothing on the Delta type crafts.

Nah, PS3 would be too good. Better to say: It's like ordering PS2 parts for an Xbox 360. 🙂

Originally posted by Advent
You do realize that the TIE line of starfighters are a completely separate class than that of the Delta series, correct? That's like ordering PS3 parts for an Xbox 360.

Really, an official source dictates that the TIE line (even the model Vader uses) has absolutely nothing on the Delta type crafts.

Nah, PS3 parts would be too good. It would be better to say: It's like ordering PS2 parts for an Xbox 360, cuz the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are pretty much the same, and the Xbox 360 is better than PS2 obviously. Though, I get your point. 🙂

Oops, sorry. My computer is kinda screwed up.

Originally posted by Riverollv
It's like ordering PS2 parts for an Xbox 360, cuz the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are pretty much the same

No, PS3 parts are made for the PS3. Unless you can use them on the Xbox 360 (you can't), then my analogy was correct.

Edit: It didn't so much have to do with the quality, or performance of said consoles, but the fact that you can't use the PS3's composite cables on the 360, for example. Though, your analogy still could've been used, anyways. Almost any two consoles that are separate of each other could be.

Since it clearly states in RODV that Vader's flying skills didn't suffer from his injuries then he beats Anakin (himself lol).

Vader should know his younger version inside out...

Yeah, he does, but he has become more arrogant, and that could lead him to his defeat

Originally posted by Riverollv
Yeah, he does, but he has become more arrogant, and that could lead him to his defeat

Vader has become more arrogant than Anakin? Do tell.

I mean like, when he completely turned to the Dark Side, he became more arrogant. Vader would think, since he knows his younger version perfectly, that he could beat him EASILY, while it's probably not true.

In other words, he would highly understimate his younger version

Yea, Anakin was far more arrogant, especially in his fight with Kenobi- You underestimate my power. Vader has learned from his mistakes and is much more int control of himself, that Anakin ever was.

Anakin is more arrogant, I think.