how are the characters different? Liz is sad and pissed off and needs to get some aggression out, Jack is humoring her until he can figure out a way to keep her safe while destroying his arch enemy, Norrington is trying to deal with everything and find Anne, Beckett is lying his sleazy guts out to create division amongst the heroes, Anne is being a spitfire, and Tia has secret plots of her own, as usual. so what's the problem?
I'll post more later, unless Surreal wants to jump in.
how are the characters different? Liz is sad and pissed off and needs to get some aggression out, Jack is humoring her until he can figure out a way to keep her safe while destroying his arch enemy, Norrington is trying to deal with everything and find Anne, Beckett is lying his sleazy guts out to create division amongst the heroes, Anne is being a spitfire, and Tia has secret plots of her own, as usual. so what's the problem?
Well, if you must ask...
-Elizabeth has not been drinking. She's barely moved off her bed since Will died and since the funeral, so the desperate need for rum and all the empty bottles in her cabin weren't correctly placed.
-Jack and James weren't discussing anything in the post before yours. Jack is still majorly pissed at James, James is pissed at Jack.
-James would never entertain the idea of backing down from Beckett.
-Elizabeth was making overtures to try to make things right with James. Instead of continuing with that theme, you have Elizabeth send James away so she can plot with Jack.
-James backs off from Elizabeth when obviously something is wrong with her. I doubt he'd be satisfied with their explanation.
-You have Elizabeth abandoning her post as captain to go haring off for vengeance on a man that they wouldn't even know where to locate.
-You have Elizabeth trusting Tia Dalma, who pushed hard for Will to take up his 'destiny'. I see no reason why Elizabeth would even speak to her, let accept help from her without being remotely suspicious.
-You have Tia get into a longboat with Beckett. Huh? How did they meet?
-Where is Beckett's ship? How did an entire fleet of ships NOT see it? How is it that an entire fleet of ships failed to notice the approach of a longboat?
-How did Beckett manage to get Anne?
-James and Elizabeth are on the same ship, the Empress, not separate ships.
-Why would James be looking for Anne in his own cabin? Anne has her own cabin. And no, they didn't get their groove on in his cabin. They were in the cargo hold.
-Why would Anne believe anything Beckett says? He's a slimey git and she knows it.
What you wrote isn't bad -- if it had been in a story where Jack and James were being buddy-buddy and Elizabeth had been drinking in her cabin, and where Tia had not been involved at least somewhat in Will's death or destiny, and if it was remotely logical to have a longboat sneak up on an entire fleet of ships.
I just like stories to follow a thread of logic, not have random events happen without being explained. 😉 Yes, I know it seems picky. But since Willo and I worked so hard to establish certain behaviors, it's frustrating to see it all go out the window.
Originally posted by katelovespirateYYAAYY!!!
hehehe... well, i guess it's a tribute to the good pirate name that we all have different ideas/interests in mind. anyhow, i'll be back tonight and can work on some then. anyone else feel free to jump in and throw some curves in the story in the meantime.
you know what Surreal, if this were the real world, and we were making a film, then valid issues would be discussed. but, to my knowledge, this is a kicky fan fic written for the enjoyment and creative outlet of people who like to play around with ideas and characters. if you go back and read the rest of our fanfics, they are very organic. they are more an expression of several different people's creative styles, and whatever random ideas pop into our head between work shifts or classes or whatever. they weren't planned in depth, they were spontaneous. it was fun that way. it made it easy for people to jump in and out as they wanted to, which would be the ideal situation on a board with so many creative fans.
I didn't realize this was just a "you and Willo" project, but maybe if that was the case, it ought to be moved to you guys's email accounts or something, instead of sitting in the public forum like it was up for grabs. i don't get why you are making such a big deal out of this.
like i've said multiple times, if its going to freak you out and make you mad, then delete everything i posted and go along your merry way, and write the thing yourself. i really don't care. my life is pretty packed, but i have awesome memories of this board, and always enjoy some creative outlet.
and just because i have to say it, you should take that nit-picking habit and pick apart the actual film, which is far more full of inconsistencies than this is.
alright, i'm done. i was going to write something, but i think i'll leave this project alone now. If anyone else cares to, maybe we should start a different fic on this site where people can actually contribute without fear of screwing something up.
^^i do too...Surreal, i really think you should just calm down. last time i checked this was the "Surrealkatewillomina Project. had that changed within the 11 pages of this thread? Somehow i dont think so. Kate, we..or at least I...extremely and utterly enjoy your posts and i would be very depressed if you backed away from this project.
im not trying to be mean, Surreal, but you are being a bit rude. We should support others posts and if you see something that you think might not fit the story or doesnt follow the lines of what was previously written, you should politely correct them, not make a long list of complaints as previously done.
It would be much appreciated if the fighting would stop, also. 😊
Originally posted by katelovespirate
you know what Surreal, if this were the real world, and we were making a film, then valid issues would be discussed. but, to my knowledge, this is a kicky fan fic written for the enjoyment and creative outlet of people who like to play around with ideas and characters. if you go back and read the rest of our fanfics, they are very organic. they are more an expression of several different people's creative styles, and whatever random ideas pop into our head between work shifts or classes or whatever. they weren't planned in depth, they were spontaneous. it was fun that way. it made it easy for people to jump in and out as they wanted to, which would be the ideal situation on a board with so many creative fans.
I didn't realize this was just a "you and Willo" project, but maybe if that was the case, it ought to be moved to you guys's email accounts or something, instead of sitting in the public forum like it was up for grabs. i don't get why you are making such a big deal out of this.
like i've said multiple times, if its going to freak you out and make you mad, then delete everything i posted and go along your merry way, and write the thing yourself. i really don't care. my life is pretty packed, but i have awesome memories of this board, and always enjoy some creative outlet.and just because i have to say it, you should take that nit-picking habit and pick apart the actual film, which is far more full of inconsistencies than this is.
alright, i'm done. i was going to write something, but i think i'll leave this project alone now. If anyone else cares to, maybe we should start a different fic on this site where people can actually contribute without fear of screwing something up.
You go Girl.......I'm behind you one hundred percent, Kate.....
Surreal, you need to take a chill pill..this is suppose to be fun, for goodness sakes...the story isn't being brought up for a Piltzer prize, is it?????
and Kate's right...if you want to get nick-picky....just really and truly examine "At World's End"...once you get your mind off of the great, lovely wonderful W/E moments in the film....because the film leaves many, many potholes......or should I say Plot-Holes......
If any of the plot holes you're talking about have to do with J/E or W/E, I don't want to hear it, since they aren't plot holes. If you'd take off your Sparrabeth specs for a moment you'd see that both storylines wrap up, if not happily or the way you would have chosen.
If it has to do with the curse, yeah, I know it's a bit confusing, and it could be the one real plot hole in the film.
If you have an actual plot hole that you know of, please share. 😛 Otherwise, I don't think that the argument that AWE has plot holes is a correct statement. AWE has plenty of flaws but plot holes aren't one of them.
Kate: As for this fic, it is a creative process. It isn't just the "Surreal and Willo Project", and I did try to clue you in on what Willo and I had discussed as far as storyline went. I wanted to work with you, but you would never respond in a way that allowed discussion of anything. Trying to tell you what ideas we have or that I have never seems to get me anywhere either, because you disregard it or write in a way that would make it impossible for my scene.
You said you would post 'something small', and instead you ran off with the plot, posted up the entire scene I had been working on (and I told you what has been up with me, which was quite personal), and you didn't bother to follow ANYTHING that had been written in the past.
Remember I wanted to do a J/E scene with her grieving Will during a storm and Jack rescues her and they grieve together? Or the bit where he teaches her how to read the ship? Where will it fit with the way you've taken the plot? In fact, how can we give J/E a proper romance and build it without it seeming rushed and just weird?
So yeah, I am frustrated because I am attempting to not just make this a fun fanfic, but a GREAT fanfic that not just J/E shippers can enjoy, or just Jack fans, or even just Norrington fans.
The thing is Kate, I don't WANT to cut out what you write, or change it. I don't want you to quit either. You're a great writer.
All I've really ever asked is for some consistency, and not everything I pointed out was nit-picky. I would say the least nit-picky thing was the whole Beckett-shows-up-and-is-pals-with-Tia oh, and by the way, he kidnapped Anne from a fleet of ships without anyone noticing.
That was really a bit of a stretch of logic, you have to admit. Could you at least write a scene to explain that bit so I can tuck it into the fic in the proper place?
Originally posted by Surreal_44
If any of the plot holes you're talking about have to do with J/E or W/E, I don't want to hear it, since they aren't plot holes. If you'd take off your Sparrabeth specs for a moment you'd see that both storylines wrap up, if not happily or the way you would have chosen.If it has to do with the curse, yeah, I know it's a bit confusing, and it could be the one real plot hole in the film.
If you have an actual plot hole that you know of, please share. 😛 Otherwise, I don't think that the argument that AWE has plot holes is a correct statement. AWE has plenty of flaws but plot holes aren't one of them.
[b]Kate:
As for this fic, it is a creative process. It isn't just the "Surreal and Willo Project", and I did try to clue you in on what Willo and I had discussed as far as storyline went. I wanted to work with you, but you would never respond in a way that allowed discussion of anything. Trying to tell you what ideas we have or that I have never seems to get me anywhere either, because you disregard it or write in a way that would make it impossible for my scene.You said you would post 'something small', and instead you ran off with the plot, posted up the entire scene I had been working on (and I told you what has been up with me, which was quite personal), and you didn't bother to follow ANYTHING that had been written in the past.
Remember I wanted to do a J/E scene with her grieving Will during a storm and Jack rescues her and they grieve together? Or the bit where he teaches her how to read the ship? Where will it fit with the way you've taken the plot? In fact, how can we give J/E a proper romance and build it without it seeming rushed and just weird?
So yeah, I am frustrated because I am attempting to not just make this a fun fanfic, but a GREAT fanfic that not just J/E shippers can enjoy, or just Jack fans, or even just Norrington fans.
The thing is Kate, I don't WANT to cut out what you write, or change it. I don't want you to quit either. You're a great writer.
All I've really ever asked is for some consistency, and not everything I pointed out was nit-picky. I would say the least nit-picky thing was the whole Beckett-shows-up-and-is-pals-with-Tia oh, and by the way, he kidnapped Anne from a fleet of ships without anyone noticing.
That was really a bit of a stretch of logic, you have to admit. Could you at least write a scene to explain that bit so I can tuck it into the fic in the proper place? [/B]
🙄 whatever......I'm not just talking about J/E....there's just many things wrong with AWE.....but I don't really feel like arguing or discussing it anymore...cuz it really doesn't matter...the movie is over and done with.......
If you look at everything that happened in DMC...then AWE just doens't square with me.....sorry....
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
🙄 whatever......I'm not just talking about J/E....there's just many things wrong with AWE.....but I don't really feel like arguing or discussing it anymore...cuz it really doesn't matter...the movie is over and done with.......If you look at everything that happened in DMC...then AWE just doens't square with me.....sorry....
i second that!
i thought about responding yet again, but it just isn't worth it. this is ridiculous. i have been traveling and working a lot and just sort of popped on when i got the chance, wrote something offhand, and posted, because i wanted to feel like i was still involved in this thread. but when it comes down to it, I dont care. i'm not just saying that, i really dont. i cant believe what a huge deal this has become. it really has embarrassed me actually. i'm sorry to the lovely people who have been reading and encouraging us so much (you guys are the best) and i feel bad for all the drama. Surreal, you know I fully understand and appreciate your personal struggles, but I am not going to respond to your post, because there just isn't any way to without really lowering myself.
Kate, you really shouldn't feel embarrassed. This isn't your fault. I can't believe that this has become so big. I mean, it's just a small little smudge about a FAN-FIC! This is not Harry Potter 7, ok? it's just a little story made for FUN, i repeat, FUN. So please, guys, FOR THE LOVE OF DEPP, CALM DOWN!
OMG!! Kate...IBD43...You just made me smile and chuckle with your last posts.
Look! I'm not trying to throw myself in the middle of anything but you two are both too mature, artistic and great writers to let a little argument ruin this great fic. It's been great so far and Surreal...I get what you're trying to say about making this fic not only fun but true to the characters and plot but I think you guys can put your differences aside and continue the fic from here on... with all of your opinions put in.
Kate...I personally loved you posts. I don't know how it was supposed to be so I can't judge about which way would be better but I just loved your posts.Period. So please don't stop?! Neither of you should stop. *puts on puppy dog face* Don't u love this fic regardless of whatever else?! I know I love all my fics...u must feel the same.