The Virginia Tech Massacre April 16th, 2007 (Another Step In Removing USA Gun Rights)

On a fundamental level, gun control is actually in itself an act of gun violence. It is the use of force and threats of force against peaceful people for the purpose of depriving them of tools useful for self-defense. Surely, the state cannot pretend that such weapons do not have defensive purposes without admitting that the “defense” it says it provides us, domestically with armed police and internationally with the armed military, is a sham.

For the state to forbid others from having the same weapons it provides its own legions of armed forces at home and abroad, all funded through tax dollars, is the height of hypocrisy, as is the idea that pointing guns at peaceful people and hauling them off to jail if they violate gun control laws – which is what enforcement of such laws boils down to – is somehow a good way to combat gun violence.

It is curious that certain people still defend the institution of gun control, which only monopolizes weapons in the hands of those least likely in a given crisis to have the opportunity to do good and most likely, historically speaking, to use them to do bad. Indeed, a look at the 20th century reveals a frightening pattern regarding weapons control: It preceded the major acts of genocide and government-led slaughter throughout the world.

The Nazis and Communists always required that their subjects be disarmed. Gun control doesn’t always result in concentration camps, but it is much harder to displace, oppress or exterminate undesirables without it.

In America’s own history, gun control has a legacy of racist tyranny –to disarm and thus control groups ranging from freed blacks to Italian immigrants (as was the case with the Sullivan Act). That gun control is a tool of the ruling class and a boon for private and political criminals should be obvious by now.

Gun control does not protect the innocent. It only renders the innocent all the more defenseless, empowers law enforcement in totalitarian ways, and facilitates the further construction of the police state. It is only one aspect of how the state claims to protect us, yet it only does the opposite.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Your first sentence there is simply a biased and ludicrous lie. It's not true at all.

And meanwhile, you will note that these sort of massacres do not happen in the UK. Nor has any sort of gun crime risen that would have been preventable by a constitutional right to firearms.
Try talking sense for once.

Show me a statistic that proves that crime has dropped in the UK. Everyone I have spoken to says that it is on the rise.

In fact, I even hear that in places like Austrailia they have been having problems because the criminals have been able to get their hands on weapons while the law abiding citizens have been rendered defenseless.

This is what I am told as I talk to people on the street everyday.

Originally posted by chithappens
33 Christian ministers in the SCLC (Southern CHristian Leadership Council) started by Marin Luther King

*It is a publicly known fact that all the preachers had to be masons. 33 masonic preachers leading the civil rights movement... Hmmm. Not related directly but 33 shows up a lot of random spots that seem coincidental.

Definately relavent Chit.

There is no more important time to stand up for liberty than when crisis endangers it most. It is also an important time to reflect on how the state's culture of obedience, blind trust in authority, centralized control and individual disarmament has actually rendered us less secure against threats both foreign and domestic.

At a time when the Bush administration has suspended habeas corpus, has shredded the Fourth Amendment, and respects virtually no limits on its power, one would hope that the usual proponents of gun control who oppose the administration see the severe danger in letting it impose more controls on our lives, and wage more wars on the Bill of Rights, this time with the pretense of protecting us against gun violence.

The administration’s rounding up of private weapons in New Orleans after Katrina and Baghdad after the invasion of Iraq demonstrates its willingness to disarm populations when it is desirable and expedient from its point of view. The last thing we need is more support for further erosions of our liberty.

It is time for some clear thinking about the way government has used massacres and other crises to warm the people up to its expansion and encroachment on precious freedoms. As Virginia Tech on 4/16 should show as clearly as the hijacked planes on 9/11, big government, central planning, and the systematic violence of gun control do not stop massacres; they only enable them.

I think I actually agree with Nuclear on something...

I don't agree that the Vriginia Tech Massacre was a conspiracy in order to bring on gun laws, but I do believe that not allowing people to legally own firearms will be detrimental. Law-abiding citizens won't have guns, but those who don't follow the law will have guns. Criminals will always get their hands on weapons, and not allowing normal citizens to legally own firearms of their own will NOT solve anything.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
I think I actually agree with Nuclear on something...

I don't agree that the Vriginia Tech Massacre was a conspiracy in order to bring on gun laws, but I do believe that not allowing people to legally own firearms will be detrimental. Law-abiding citizens won't have guns, but those who don't follow the law will have guns. Criminals will always get their hands on weapons, and not allowing normal citizens to legally own firearms of their own will NOT solve anything.

Well I'll be.

Look who came to the table.

Have a seat dawg.

Originally posted by Deano
well said

Indeed, must have been seriously hard for him to find the right thing to copy-paste...

This thread is just becoming a laughing stock. Believe me, if this was in the OTF or GDF, you'd have loads of "ostrichs" with their heads in the sand. Hundreds, even. With that many ostrichs around, we could seriously open an ostrich farm. But that might be seen as part of the New World Order of Ostrichs and therefore a conspiracy...

*waits for Deano, Mr. Parker, and NuclearWinter to go 'Hahaha, you're an ostrich and blind to the truth of my insanity!'*

As for Rex being a weakling for using the ignore list for what it's supposed to used for...he's not ignoring your theories, he's ignoring you and everything that has to do with you. doped It just happens to include your theories.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
I think I actually agree with Nuclear on something...

I don't agree that the Vriginia Tech Massacre was a conspiracy in order to bring on gun laws, but I do believe that not allowing people to legally own firearms will be detrimental. Law-abiding citizens won't have guns, but those who don't follow the law will have guns. Criminals will always get their hands on weapons, and not allowing normal citizens to legally own firearms of their own will NOT solve anything.

and thats a fair and nice comment.

can anyone else take note? or will you continue to be idiots. because your not growing up and taking responsibilty for your world.

Originally posted by Deano
and thats a fair and nice comment.

can anyone else take note? or will you continue to be idiots. because your not growing up and taking responsibilty for your world.

Originally posted by Deano
well said

Yeah. Very well said Winter.

[QUOTE=8832473]Originally posted by Deano
[B]and thats a fair and nice comment.

yeah it actually is and I actually agree for once with everything he posted in that post.

Winter got a question for you.I havent read through your thread but I have heard that the guy who pulled the gun was shot to death in the face so badly that authorities could not identify him.do you know anything about that? If thats true I think I can understand why some people are thinking this might be a conspiracy because that is pretty fishy if thats the case that that did indeed happen.

Originally posted by Deano
and thats a fair and nice comment.

can anyone else take note? or will you continue to be idiots. because your not growing up and taking responsibilty for your world.

I agree with it too... criminals will always find a way to get their hands on weapons. However, I still believe that it is ridiculous to think that the massacre was a conspiracy.

And no Deano we're not "idiots" we're simply not as paranoid as you, NW and Mr Parker are

Originally posted by Mr Parker
[QUOTE=8832473]Originally posted by Deano
[B]and thats a fair and nice comment.

yeah it actually is and I actually agree for once with everything he posted in that post.

Winter got a question for you.I havent read through your thread but I have heard that the guy who pulled the gun was shot to death in the face so badly that authorities could not identify him.do you know anything about that? If thats true I think I can understand why some people are thinking this might be a conspiracy because that is pretty fishy if thats the case that that did indeed happen.

Can't say that I heard about that one Mr. Parker, in fact thats news to me.

Originally posted by General Zink
Indeed, must have been seriously hard for him to find the right thing to copy-paste...

This thread is just becoming a laughing stock. Believe me, if this was in the OTF or GDF, you'd have loads of "ostrichs" with their heads in the sand. Hundreds, even. With that many ostrichs around, we could seriously open an ostrich farm. But that might be seen as part of the New World Order of Ostrichs and therefore a conspiracy...

*waits for Deano, Mr. Parker, and NuclearWinter to go 'Hahaha, you're an ostrich and blind to the truth of my insanity!'*

As for Rex being a weakling for using the ignore list for what it's supposed to used for...he's not ignoring your theories, he's ignoring you and everything that has to do with you. doped It just happens to include your theories.

The comment he was referring to was not copied and pasted. Not all of what I put into this thread was copy and pasted. Alot of it was, but alot of the piecing I did myself. Not that it matters, the results are all that matter.

By the way, you are completely wrong about this being a laughing stock. It is far from it. The New World Order is coming if we don't stop it, and that's nothing to "laugh" about.

You can laugh all day after it happens at the fact that you did nothing to stop it, but right now it's not a joking matter.

More and more Americans are waking up to the fact that something strange is definately going on. They start with that feeling, and then they begin to figure out the rest.

Politicians are pushing for things that Americans don't even want. The power is being switched from the citizens to the government that they created! It's becoming more and more of a catastrophe every single day.

Whether it be the Iraq war, Gun Control, North American Union, or National ID cards and future microchips none of this shit is what the American people want. It's what the Controllers want. And they are getting it slowly. We have to take a stand now. There is no time to wait. First comes the spreading the information part, and then eventually comes the rebellion of the citizens against tyranny.

I hope you guys have enjoyed your lives so far, because you may have to forfit it in the process of taking a stance to save Humanity from greed and Evil. It's either that, or it may be taken from you against your wills anyways when all this starts to go down.

Do you want to die in a prison cell slowly...or do you want to die fighting for your Freedoms and on your terms?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Can't say that I heard about that one Mr. Parker, in fact thats news to me.

exactly.Matter of fact a Dr Robert Bowman Lt Col USAF retired who formed a group called The Patriots which is a group devoted to government that follows the constitution,honors the truth,and serves the people ran for President in the reform party in 2000 and was a democratic candidate for the us congressional district of Florida in 2006.He has a PHD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech.

He was at a meeting here in the Midwest and for this one city speaking out about all this and he made a good point that to stand up for the truth and against this tyranny government,that it may come down to the point where if you have to choose between being a slave to tyranny or standing up against it even if it means costing you your job,its time to forget about your job and risk putting your job on the line and speaking out because thats what its going to come down to.He got an ovation from over 200 people that I was pleased to see there.He has been on C-span before as well pressing for a 9-11 truth movement where there needs to be an independent investigation of it by a foreign country to get some honest answers about it.There was quite a turnout for the event because more and more people are waking up since 9-11 to the fact that this is a government that wants to enslave its people as part of its NWO plan.

People here can laugh about it all they want to right now but like you said,what are they going to do when that time comes when the NWO is here and the secret police-which we already have here in the states,comes busting into their homes and takes them away? They can ignore it and die slowly in a prison cell or they can get ready for it and be a patriot and go out fighting for their freedom. Times have really changed in the last 20 years or so.Just 20 years ago Soviet Russia was a communist country and now its not.The shift has taken place to where the united states has become more like russia and russia is more like the united states when we still had a government that was by the people and for the people.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
exactly.Matter of fact a Dr Robert Bowman Lt Col USAF retired who formed a group called The Patriots which is a group devoted to government that follows the constitution,honors the truth,and serves the people ran for President in the reform party in 2000 and was a democratic candidate for the us congressional district of Florida in 2006.He has a PHD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech.

He was at a meeting here in the Midwest and for this one city speaking out about all this and he made a good point that to stand up for the truth and against this tyranny government,that it may come down to the point where if you have to choose between being a slave to tyranny or standing up against it even if it means costing you your job,its time to forget about your job and risk putting your job on the line and speaking out because thats what its going to come down to.He got an ovation from over 200 people that I was pleased to see there.He has been on C-span before as well pressing for a 9-11 truth movement where there needs to be an independent investigation of it by a foreign country to get some honest answers about it.There was quite a turnout for the event because more and more people are waking up since 9-11 to the fact that this is a government that wants to enslave its people as part of its NWO plan.

People here can laugh about it all they want to right now but like you said,what are they going to do when that time comes when the NWO is here and the secret police-which we already have here in the states,comes busting into their homes and takes them away? They can ignore it and die slowly in a prison cell or they can get ready for it and be a patriot and go out fighting for their freedom. Times have really changed in the last 20 years or so.Just 20 years ago Soviet Russia was a communist country and now its not.The shift has taken place to where the united states has become more like russia and russia is more like the united states when we still had a government that was by the people and for the people.

All good points Mr. Parker.

Thank You Sir.