By the way, Wrath, numbers don't always = Numerology. I mean, numbers by themselves can prove things too. Correlations, connections, ect.
But, I was just wondering, if you don't believe that these numbers are the correct forumula, I am assuming that you believe that you have an idea of what the correct one is?
I would love to see what you have in mind, because anything else we can connect together would greatly help in this matter.
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Yes yes, we know Lord XYZ. Daddy made a boo boo.Now tell me how that one math problem in the beginning refutes the rest of the claims in this thread? Please...by all means..explain in great detail. I'm interested to watch yourself trip over your own arguement.
Tell me how the math problem I messed up on in the beginning effects the claims I made about the number [B]13
and 33 being involved in the Columbine Massacre and the Virginia Tech Massacre.Then tell me how the math problem I messed up on in the beginning refutes all the claims I made about the government trying to spin the school shootings in order to take away our guns.
Then try and explain how the numbers 13 and 33 aren't connected to the Illuminati and aren't involved in any of the symbolism of our government.
Go ahead. I'd like to see you try. [/B]
This is like debating with a Nostradamion.
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Ok, so you made a point that is totally invalid.Now I would like you to state something in this Universe, anything at all, that doesn't have a reason for it's existence. And that can't be tied to a reason for it "happening" or being here.
Cause and effect my friend. There's no way of getting around it. You can't beat this Universal Law. You are a part of it.
Again I say, there is no such thing as coincidence. Where something "happens for no reason". As you said.
That's my point. You made a claim saying "coincidence doesn't exist" and provided zero proof of it, you gave no supporting examples of how, factually, what happened couldn't simply be a coincidence, you just said it and expected it to fly. A common error in those new to the rules of argumentation.
Thus, for me to retort you, all I have to do is the same thing "Coincidence does exist", the exact opposite of what you said, said in the exact same way.
But I can actually give an example.
I stub my toe on the exact same day that I stubbed my toe 4 years ago.
What great underlying universal meaning does this have? What conspiracy does this support?
None, it's just a random coincidence. There isn't an inherent meaning behind every little thing that happens. You say there is, you are making the positive claim, thus YOU must provide proof that it is so. Until you do, I don't have to do shit except make it known that I don't agree. Because as it is, it's nothing more than a matter of beliefs.
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Yes yes, we know Lord XYZ. Daddy made a boo boo.Now tell me how that one math problem in the beginning refutes the rest of the claims in this thread? Please...by all means..explain in great detail. I'm interested to watch yourself trip over your own arguement.
Tell me how the math problem I messed up on in the beginning effects the claims I made about the number [B]13
and 33 being involved in the Columbine Massacre and the Virginia Tech Massacre.Then tell me how the math problem I messed up on in the beginning refutes all the claims I made about the government trying to spin the school shootings in order to take away our guns.
Then try and explain how the numbers 13 and 33 aren't connected to the Illuminati and aren't involved in any of the symbolism of our government.
Go ahead. I'd like to see you try. [/B]
Your entire argument was based off of trying to make a connection between the death tolls of prior tragedies and this recent one, that was YOUR evidence, your only evidenced, and it was debunked. As such, there is no connection at all. Your entire argument that the death tolls were connected, which was supposed to support the idea that nothing is a coincidence is now worthless, it's nothing. At least until you come up with some other form of evidence besides "It doesn't exist".
Satanists are known for such crimes as mutilating and sacrificing animals, desecrating churches, profaning and robbing graves, exhuming corpses, raping, kidnapping, child molestation, ritual murder and cannibalism.
Cho Seung-Hui (The killer of the Virginia Tech Massacre), asked the following questions in his videos that he sent to the media:
1. Do you know what it's like to be torched (burned alive)?
2. Do you know what it's like to have your throat slashed from ear to ear?
3. Do you know what it's like to be impaled on a cross for amusement?
4. Do you know what it's like to have trash shoved down your throat?
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
The NSA has 3 letters in it's abbreviation. N is the 14th letter of the alphabet. S is the 19th letter of the alphabet. And A is the 1st letter of the alphabet.If you break down the N into two single digits, and then subract S from those digits, and then add A to that number, then you get the number [B]-13
.N-S+A = 1+4=5-19=negative14+1=negative 13?
N S A [/B]
NuclearWinter has 13 letters. Taking this further, if you add up all the letters you get: 14+21+3+12+5+1+18+23+9+14+20+5+18=163. If we take the U and L from nuclear and add them together, we get 33. If we separate the N in nuclear into two single digits and then put that number next to the numerical value of c, we get 33. If we subtract the numerical value of R in winter from E in winter we get 13 . If we multiply all the numerical values, we get the number 4968933 984000. From this number, (starting with the first number and going down the line) if we multiply 4x9x6 and then subtract 89, we get the number 127. If we continue going down the line (excluding 33 because it's so significant) and subtract 98 from 127 we get 29. Finally, add 4 to that, and what do we get? 33.
NUCLEARWINTER IS A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY. HE'S BEEN A PART ALL ALONG, AND HAS BEEN FOOLING US ALL. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, SEE THE LIGHT.
Sarcasm off. See, Nuclear? I can find the number 33 and 13 in names, places and acronyms too. YOU DAMN GOVERNMENT AGENT!
Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to be torched (burned alive)?
This is an interesting statement, because Satanists have also long since been known to burn their victims alive in ritualistic fashion.
Here is a snippet from an article on a woman who was "burned alive" by Satanists after being shot:
A 19-year-old girl is stabbed to death — allegedly by a group of young Satanists who thought she personified the Virgin Mary. Her 16-year-old companion, no longer considered a reliable sect member, is killed and buried alongside her.
The discovery last week of the two victims' burial place has sparked an investigation into a metal band scene in Milan and its possible links to Satan worshippers, according to details that emerged Tuesday.
The disappearance of Chiara Marino and Fabio Tollis in 1998 had remained a mystery until earlier this year, when one of the people later accused of the murders began to cooperate with authorities.
Prosecutors now suspect an occult sect carried out the killings in a drug-fueled ritual, said Francesca Cramis, lawyer for one of the four people arrested in the case.
According to police, they had already tried — and failed — to kill the two by burning them alive in a car on New Year's Eve, said Cramis.
Oreste Benzi, a priest who works to rehabilitate Satanists, estimates that these worshippers of the occult number around 600,000 in Italy.
http://www.wwrn.org/sparse.php?idd=6201
In fact, burning people in ritual sacrifice is nothing new. It can be traced back to the ancients.
The Carthaginians, like the Phoenicians, Canaanites, and the Babylonians, rolled their children into a fiery pit mde in the shape of their "god" Baal/Moloch. At a site near modern Tunis over six thousand urns were found containing the charred remains of infants. The Cannanite-Hebrews were seriously into the sacrifice of Humans and Animals. Even in the Hebrew Old Testament there are many references to people sacrificing their children for their "god".
These are the same types of rituals that are performed by Satanists today.
Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to have your throat slashed from ear to ear?
This is another very interesting statement. The reason why it is so interesting to me is because Satanists have also long since been known to slice the throats of their victims during their rituals. From ear to ear. Just like Cho Seung said.
In fact, Satanist sacrificial victims, who have many times been bred from birth for the role, are ritually killed by slashing the throat from left to right. This is the origin of the Free Masonic sign of pulling the flat hand across the throat from left to right, a movement which means "You're dead."
After the victim has had their throat sliced, the blood from the victim is then collected. It is poured into goblets and consumed by the Satanists, together with the liver and the eyes. The Satanists believe that this is supposed to provide them strength and greater psychic vision. Fat is then scraped from the intestines of the victim and smeared over the bodies of the Satanist participants. Often times, the body of the victim is then suspended from a tree (or a cross) and allowed to fall onto the Satanists.
Originally posted by J-Beowulf
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAOh my God. Did you just use the price of postage stamps to try and prove your theory?
My dad was 33 once. HE'S OBVIOUSLY EVIL.
I'll be 33 in 12 years. I'M OBVIOUSLY EVIL.
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Originally posted by J-Beowulf
NuclearWinter has 13 letters. Taking this further, if you add up all the letters you get: 14+21+3+12+5+1+18+23+9+14+20+5+18=163. If we take the U and L from nuclear and add them together, we get 33. If we separate the N in nuclear into two single digits and then put that number next to the numerical value of c, we get 33. If we subtract the numerical value of R in winter from E in winter we get 13 . If we multiply all the numerical values, we get the number 4968933 984000. From this number, (starting with the first number and going down the line) if we multiply 4x9x6 and then subtract 89, we get the number 127. If we continue going down the line (excluding 33 because it's so significant) and subtract 98 from 127 we get 29. Finally, add 4 to that, and what do we get? 33.NUCLEARWINTER IS A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY. HE'S BEEN A PART ALL ALONG, AND HAS BEEN FOOLING US ALL. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE, SEE THE LIGHT.
Sarcasm off. See, Nuclear? I can find the number 33 and 13 in names, places and acronyms too. YOU DAMN GOVERNMENT AGENT!
This post is awesome. And makes a good point where you can see anything you want if you try hard enough.
Originally posted by Lord Melkor
Satanists may be scary, but of course the real problem is when there are Nephandi behind them 😈
****ing demons.
😛
I fixed your post, btw. You missed a few M's.
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
[B]Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to have your throat slashed fro[B]M ear to ear?[/B]This is another very interesting stateMent. The reason why it is so interesting to Me is because Satanists have also long since been known to slice the throats of their victiMs during their rituals. FroM ear to ear. Just like Cho Seung said.
In fact, Satanist sacrificial victims, who have Many tiMes been bred from birth for the role, are ritually killed by slashing the throat froM left to right. This is the origin of the Free Masonic sign of pulling the flat hand across the throat froM left to right, a MoveMent which Means "You're dead."
After the victiM has had their throat sliced, the blood froMthe victiM is then collected. It is poured into goblets and consuMed by the Satanists, together with the liver and the eyes. The Satanists believe that this is supposed to provide theM strength and greater psychic vision. Fat is then scraped from the intestines of the victiM and sMeared over the bodies of the Satanist participants. Often times, the body of the victiM is then suspended froM a tree (or a cross) and allowed to fall onto the Satanists. [/B]
There's 22 of these Mysterious MeMbers of the alphabet, all Masterfully Manipulating the Malcontent Monster Mutually Murdered by Moving Malicious Mitigators.
Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to be impaled on a cross for amusement?
Satanists are also known for suspending their victims after impaling them to upside-down-crosses.
The upside-down cross in satanic circles symbolizes mockery and rejection of Jesus Christ. Necklaces with upside-down crosses are worn by satanists.
The "Inverted Cross," has been a Satanic Symbol since the 7th century.
I guess you missed it Nuclear, but I thought you really should address it so:
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
It has been proven that most of the 33rd degree Freemason's worship LuciferOriginally posted by KharmaDog
Please post multiple sources that prove this as fact. Conspiracey oriented websites will not count as they not only have thier own agenda, but seriously pervert and distort facts to try and prove their theories.
Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to have trash shoved down your throat?
Could this be a reference to sexual abuse?
We know that Cho wrote many stories about a child being molested by his stepfather. Could it be that Cho was actually writing a story that was really about himself?
Satanic cults are known for child molestation. They do it on a daily basis. For them, it's like chocolate covered strawberries. I hate to say that, but it's true.
Cho Seung-Hui: I didn't have to do it. I did it for my children. My brothers. My sisters. I did it because you f-cked them.
Again it seems like Cho is referencing some kind of sexual abuse here. And it's dealing with children (both boys and girls).
Did Cho witness such an event? Or was he himself involved in some kind of sexually oriented abuse?
How much do we really know about Cho's childhood? Where did he grow up? What kind of family was he a part of? These are important questions because so far everything that came out of this guys mouth to me sounds like it is related to Satanism in one form or another.
"Trashed shoved down his throat" could be a reference to being molested by a male. I wouldn't disregard the possibility of it for all the money in the World.
Cho Seung-Hui: Do you know what it's like to have to dig your own grave?
Here Cho is referencing something that many Satanic abuse victims claim is part of the method of inducing fear in them in order to make it easier for them to follow the Satanist's commands.
People like Arizona Wilder, and others, have stated that one tactic that Satanists use to abuse their victims is to have them crawl into a casket, and then bury them alive for days without food or water, alone in the dark (sometimes even with another person), with no bathroom (obviously), and to keep them there until they are about to die.
Then the Satanists will unbury their victims and tell them things like, "how does it feel to be dead?" Ect. ect....
But trust me. That's only the tip of the iceberg. I've read much creepier things than this from abuse victims.