Bruce Wayne vs. Tony Stark on the rocks with a twist!

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah... you could try to "lol" at me even though I never said any different. The reason he doesn't wear armor is because he doesn't face guys like Silver Surfer, Hulk, and Thor on a consistent basis. He faces guys like Ra's Al Guhl, Joker, Hush, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask, Bane, Lady Shiva, Deathstroke, etc...

Nobody that he would really need something like that for. Plus, Bruce loves to scrap with his bare hands and beat some ass like that.

Can't really say the same for Tony's drunken ass. haermm 😛

And lol at you trying to call me on Batman knowledge. 🙄

I don't quite get this statement, or what you meant by it. 😕

The "fact" is that Batman has shown that when it comes down to making technology and prepping against an opponent, he's superior to Tony.

I've never seen Tony's plans take down a team like the entire JLA before.

We all saw how his preparation went against King Thor. haermm

Plus, Batman has proven to be more intelligent than Tony when it comes to strategizing.

Why does this matter? Geez, you're making it seem like these guys will be facing each other with standard gear.

1. Batman doesn't need an Iron Man suit to defeat most of his foes...

and

2. Batman's shown a lot better prep and tech skills than Tony ever has, and he's prepped against guys that make Tony look like a clown.

The point of that statement was that you said Batman doesn't face people he needed armor for and then I said but then again there have been people he has.

Then again unlike DC most Marvel top-tiers don't have a readily exploitable weakness like oh K-Nite to help him out. The fact is if someone like Superman didn't have any K-Nite weakness or Red-Sun weakness Batman would be up the creek without a paddle. You can't say the same for Tony because his armor always gives him that chance.

By the way its is seriously debatable that Batman has ever come up with tech close to Tony. The best you have is when he creates devices that are designed to take on specific weaknesses or when he has advanced Alien tech to work with. Nothing about his tech screams oh look I can create overtly powerful tech like Tony does.
for Ironman suits.

Oh and as for King Thor this is the same King Thor that beat both Thing and Hulk with one arm and melted Logan's skeleton right and I don't even think he was in possession of the full Odinpower at the time right. Seriously Batman could spend years working with every tech he has and he would get fried within the first few seconds with King Thor. I can't believe your even trying to bring that is as a low point for Tony's prep 😆

And once again I never said Batman wasn't the better prep guy but seriously when it comes to tech Tony is better. He cna use human technology to create things that can battle Heralds with no weaknesses unlike Batman who has to exploit weaknesses or his tech may as well be cannon fodder.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not calling you on Batman knowledge I said exactly what I meant
Ironman's suit>than Batman's standard gear and vehicles which isn't debatable.

Correct Newjak, it is not debatable. I wasn't debating that point anyways. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Newjak
The point of that statement was that you said Batman doesn't face people he needed armor for and then I said but then again there have been people he has.

He also likes the human approach to pursing villains.

Batman has recently stalemated Karate Kid.

Anybody who can throw down with Val on equal footing doesn't need armor like Tony's. 😄

Originally posted by Newjak
Then again unlike DC most Marvel top-tiers don't have a readily exploitable weakness like oh K-Nite to help him out. The fact is if someone like Superman didn't have any K-Nite weakness or Red-Sun weakness Batman would be up the creek without a paddle. You can't say the same for Tony because his armor always gives him that chance.

I didn't realize Kyle, Wally, or Aquaman have specific weaknesses to be exploited. His plans have beaten these guys' asses before no problem. Finding efficient ways to take them down does not equate to Batman exploiting noticeable weaknesses they have.

And why would you use a one in a hundred character Batman prepares against in Superman? What, you think that's the only uber person Bats has prepared against and won? 😂

Have you read Tower of Babel? His plan for Superman wasn't just to get a hunk of kryptonite and smack him with it.

He developed his own kind of synthetic kryptonite and Ra's Al Guhl used it on Superman which super charged Clark up to the point where he was about to explode and made his skin transparent.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way its is seriously debatable that Batman has ever come up with tech close to Tony. The best you have is when he creates devices that are designed to take on specific weaknesses or when he has advanced Alien tech to work with. Nothing about his tech screams oh look I can create overtly powerful tech like Tony does.
for Ironman suits.

Advanced alien weaponry? He's used alien technology a handful of times, and for the most part develops his own technology and weaponry.

It's really easy to write off Batman's credit for technology without actually reading JLA comics.

And a crap load of stuff he develops screams herald level busting power, considering it already has.

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh and as for King Thor this is the same King Thor that beat both Thing and Hulk with one arm and melted Logan's skeleton right and I don't even think he was in possession of the full Odinpower at the time right. Seriously Batman could spend years working with every tech he has and he would get fried within the first few seconds with King Thor. I can't believe your even trying to bring that is as a low point for Tony's prep 😆

The same King Thor that got his arm severed by Wolverine and the same King Thor that had serious trouble attempting to repair the moon?

Nothing Kyle hasn't done with ease.

Nothing he showed was "skyfather" level in power. Not by a long shot.

Tony got his ass mauled, plain and simple. His prep time amounted to shit.

I was more impressed with Classic Thor.

Originally posted by Newjak
And once again I never said Batman wasn't the better prep guy but seriously when it comes to tech Tony is better. He cna use human technology to create things that can battle Heralds with no weaknesses unlike Batman who has to exploit weaknesses or his tech may as well be cannon fodder.

With this paragraph you make it painfully obvious that you don't read many JLA comics or Batman comics.

Technology he's built in the watchtower trump anything Tony's built.

The only thing impressive Tony builds in terms of tech is the suit.

Yeah, the suits can do decent against some top tiers, but in the end he gets thrashed like always.

Energy blasts and rocket boots can't compare to the most high tech things Bruce has built. Period.

Batman stalemated KK? 😐

Why would they give KK the short end of the stick after so many years of kicking everyones butt 😐

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Batman stalemated KK? 😐

Why would they give KK the short end of the stick after so many years of kicking everyones butt 😐

Batman is known for doing crazy shit as well.

Like stunning Wonder Woman with a pressure point strike, punching out Hal (btw, you like my sig? 😄), punching out Guy, punching out John, downing Solomon Grundy with pressure point strikes, batkicking Captain Marvel and hurting him, batkicking the Spectre and making him bleed (ermm) etc.

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Originally posted by batdude123
The same King Thor that got his arm severed by Wolverine and the same King Thor that had serious trouble attempting to repair the moon?

Nothing Kyle hasn't done with ease.

Nothing he showed was "skyfather" level in power. Not by a long shot.

Tony got his ass mauled, plain and simple. His prep time amounted to shit.

I was more impressed with Classic Thor.

He one-shotted Desak (fused with the Destroyer armour), he had quite a few good feats, but when he was fighting heroes, that's when he got f*cked up in the writing.

Originally posted by batdude123

I didn't realize Kyle, Wally, or Aquaman have specific weaknesses to be exploited. His plans have beaten these guys' asses before no problem. Finding efficient ways to take them down does not equate to Batman exploiting noticeable weaknesses they have.

And why would you use a one in a hundred character Batman prepares against in Superman? What, you think that's the only uber person Bats has prepared against and won? 😂

Have you read Tower of Babel? His plan for Superman wasn't just to get a hunk of kryptonite and smack him with it.

He developed his own kind of synthetic kryptonite and Ra's Al Guhl used it on Superman which super charged Clark up to the point where he was about to explode and made his skin transparent.

Advanced alien weaponry? He's used alien technology a handful of times, and for the most part develops his own technology and weaponry.

It's really easy to write off Batman's credit for technology without actually reading JLA comics.

And a crap load of stuff he develops screams herald level busting power, considering it already has.

The same King Thor that got his arm severed by Wolverine and the same King Thor that had serious trouble attempting to repair the moon?

Nothing Kyle hasn't done with ease.

Nothing he showed was "skyfather" level in power. Not by a long shot.

Tony got his ass mauled, plain and simple. His prep time amounted to shit.

I was more impressed with Classic Thor.

With this paragraph you make it painfully obvious that you don't read many JLA comics or Batman comics.

Technology he's built in the watchtower trump anything Tony's built.

The only thing impressive Tony builds in terms of tech is the suit.

Yeah, the suits can do decent against some top tiers, but in the end he gets thrashed like always.

Energy blasts and rocket boots can't compare to the most high tech things Bruce has built. Period.

You see where I'm getting at.

Batman used years of being around these people to study every flaw with their power and then exploit. Just because they didn't have K-Nite weakness doesn't mean there weren't easy ways for Bruce to stop their powers. The same thing can't be said for Sentry, Thor, or Silver Surfer.

Basically all Tower of Babel did was showcase just how good Batman was at picking apart his own team.

And I would say Ironman's shields and absorption abilities for his Armor put his tech above Batman.

Batman has stated that if Clark went all out no amount of prep would save his life. This is a high top tier with several obvious weakness, Thor has not that kind of weakness at all, Batman would be in big trouble.

By the way, it is my opinion that powers of creation and destruction come earlier in the power scale at DC comics than at Marvel. Take Dr. Strange for example, he has never showed the ability to create life, but sky fathers in DC can create above top tiers with their powers without much trouble. Which brings me to a skyfather like Thor having trouble fixing the moon, in Marvel that kind of stuff just seems harder to do.

Originally posted by Bentley
Batman has stated that if Clark went all out no amount of prep would save his life. This is a high top tier with several obvious weakness, Thor has not that kind of weakness at all, Batman would be in big trouble.

By the way, it is my opinion that powers of creation and destruction come earlier in the power scale at DC comics than at Marvel. Take Dr. Strange for example, he has never showed the ability to create life, but sky fathers in DC can create above top tiers with their powers without much trouble. Which brings me to a skyfather like Thor having trouble fixing the moon, in Marvel that kind of stuff just seems harder to do.

True, yet I stick to my argument for other threads.

Originally posted by Newjak
For one thing Aquaman isn't herald level in power maybe his TP maybe bit not anything else. Tony with without TP takes quite a majority from good old water man.
And as for Kyle and Wally yes they all have exploitable weaknesses Batman can use again them. Flash has to have solid footing a Green Lantern Ring requires concentration to use. MM had the fire weakness.

You see where I'm getting at.

Batman used years of being around these people to study every flaw with their power and then exploit. Just because they didn't have K-Nite weakness doesn't mean there weren't easy ways for Bruce to stop their powers. The same thing can't be said for Sentry, Thor, or Silver Surfer.

Basically all Tower of Babel did was showcase just how good Batman was at picking apart his own team.

And I would say Ironman's shields and absorption abilities for his Armor put his tech above Batman.

Who cares if Aquaman is herald level or not? Batman took him out and he doesn't have any noticeable weaknesses at all. Iron Man gets pwned by people lower than herald levellers all the time so why does this even matter? Arthur is close enough to that level making it relevant.

Batman's plan wasn't to get Wally off of solid ground, and anyway that's not a weakness. He's been shown to run in space numerous times.

Actually, Sentry DOES have a weakness in that he is extremely mentally unstable.

I'm sorry, but creating nanites that bond with skin molecules and transmute trace elements into magnesium thus bursting into flames, creating trans-dimensional teleportation devices, creating a vibratory projectile that gave Flash light speed epileptic seizures, creating a virtual reality nanite that made Wonder Woman believe she was fighting someone equal to her in every way, outthinking an alien computer in minutes, etc.>>>>>energy absorption and shields. 😬

Originally posted by batdude123
Who cares if Aquaman is herald level or not? Batman took him out and he doesn't have any noticeable weaknesses at all. Iron Man gets pwned by people lower than herald levellers all the time so why does this even matter? Arthur is close enough to that level making it relevant.

Batman's plan wasn't to get Wally off of solid ground, and anyway that's not a weakness. He's been shown to run in space numerous times.

Actually, Sentry DOES have a weakness in that he is extremely mentally unstable.

I'm sorry, but creating nanites that bond with skin molecules and transmute trace elements into magnesium thus bursting into flames, creating trans-dimensional teleportation devices, creating a vibratory projectile that gave Flash light speed epileptic seizures, creating a virtual reality nanite that made Wonder Woman believe she was fighting someone equal to her in every way, outthinking an alien computer in minutes, etc.>>>>>energy absorption and shields. 😬

And didn't Ironman actually use that weakness and get the win even without prep because his tech was so good he could hack CLOC and overload Sentry 😛

Shields and Energy absorption that can take Herald blows >>>>>>>than everything you just mentioned 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
And Ironman would take him out Aquaman as well without prep 😛

And didn't Ironman actually use that weakness and get the win even without prep because his tech was so good he could hack CLOC and overload Sentry 😛

Shields and Energy absorption that can take Herald blows >>>>>>>than everything you just mentioned 😛

Mind rape ftw. 313

Yes. Iron Man was getting absolutely raped in a straight up fight though.

That's more a test to durability than anything. Really though, his suit is primitive compared to some of the tech Batman has built. Tony has done well against some herald levellers. But he's usually smashed against them. And Batman actually takes herald levellers out with his bare hands. Just look at my sig. 😛

Batman's tech>>>>Tony's.

Originally posted by batdude123
Mind rape ftw. 313

Yes. Iron Man was getting absolutely raped in a straight up fight though.

That's more a test to durability than anything. Really though, his suit is primitive compared to some of the tech Batman has built. Batman has built more high tech stuff than Stark has.

But his armor was taking the blows wasn't it.

How can you say his suit is primitive to Batman when the shields he has created can take straight on blows from heralds. That shows just how much power his suits have. 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Repulser blasts to the face for the win 😛

But his armor was taking the blows wasn't it.

How can you say his suit is primitive to Batman when the shields he has created can take straight on blows from heralds. That shows just how much power his suits have. 😬

Arthur thinks faster, so therefore he gets the first move. Mind rapage for the win. 😖mart:

I specifically remember him being KO'd after one shot from Sentry.

Strong shields do not equate to his equipment being more advanced in technology. Batman's armored suit has taken shots from Superman, J'onn, and Wonder Woman before and Bats was OK afterwards. That doesn't attest to his technology though.

Like I said before, Batman has shown a broader range and a more impressive technological base than Tony has.

Tony has a suit... Batman has also built a heavily tricked out tech suit (that he normally doesn't wear) and SO much more.

Batman wins this fight, and his tech is better.

Originally posted by batdude123
Arthur thinks faster, so therefore he gets the first move. Mind rapage for the win. 😖mart:

I specifically remember him being KO'd after one shot from Sentry.

Strong shields do not equate to his equipment being more advanced in technology. Batman's armored suit has taken shots from Superman, J'onn, and Wonder Woman before and Bats was OK afterwards. That doesn't attest to his technology though.

Like I said before, Batman has shown a broader range and a more impressive technological base than Tony has.

Tony has a suit... Batman has also built a heavily tricked out tech suit (that he normally doesn't wear) and SO much more.

Batman wins this fight, and his tech is better.

Back when Batman still had the Batcopter in the TV show 😛

I would say Tony's power source is technologically superior to almost anything Batman has created when you think about how much power it has to produce.

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman wins this fight, and his tech is better.

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Batman has better tech than Tony.
Tony has Batman's tech.

How can Tony lose?

Oh and I guess that Tony has also developed a Neutron Cannon that could destroy most organic life on Earth.

Or maybe that was Andros Stark although I think it was Andros and Doom trying to take over Tony's weapon.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Batman has better tech than Tony.
Tony has Batman's tech.

How can Tony lose?

Originally posted by Newjak
Tony has made Energy Blades, Energy Shields, and just for Tony had space fligh shuttles 8 years before the first shuttle went up.

Back when Batman still had the Batcopter in the TV show 😛

Adam West is God. 😐

Originally posted by Newjak
I would say Tony's power source is technologically superior to almost anything Batman has created when you think about how much power it has to produce.

I'm not saying Tony's technology isn't impressive, however Batman has shown more diverse and advanced weaponry than Stark has.

And the calibre of opponents Batman has beaten with said tech is>>>Stark's opponents.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Batman has better tech than Tony.
Tony has Batman's tech.

How can Tony lose?

You're forgetting the extra month of prep they each get. That's plenty of time for Bats to develope other high tech equipment.

Also, people don't seem to realize that Tony doesn't get his suit for this fight either.