Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The twelve Saga incident where he fried Xavier could be interpreted as an energy blast..."Zzzrraak"...
I dont think its clear cut. It could have been a mental blast I think there must be some ocassions when mental blasts do make a noise and mental blasts are alwyas aimed at the head.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think its clear cut. It could have been a mental blast I think there must be some ocassions when mental blasts do make a noise and mental blasts are alwyas aimed at the head.
Never said it was clear cut. That's why I said it could be interpreted as an energy blast that was aimed at Xaviers head. For the record though I've never seen mental energy make a Zzrakk noise.. before...and IRRC the energy appeared white...while Jeans mental energy in that same comic appeared purple...
Some Examples of Mind Blasts:
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http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsod3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen28116of6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx01817nd6.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen311page10gt9.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29kd3wu7.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny20xmen2019800320on7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx3508cu8.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestarls02p04fi9.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6745/bloodties24te4.jpg
As opposed to:
And again you'd think he would have mindraped the X-Men like Sinister does if he had telepathy. Or it would be mentioned listed unders his powers in a Handbook. Heck Exodus only used his powers of ressurection once(Or twice?) and that's listed under his powers in a Marvel Handbook
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Never said it was clear cut. That's why I said it could be interpreted as an energy blast that was aimed at Xaviers head. For the record though I've never seen mental energy make a Zzrakk noise.. before...and IRRC the energy appeared white...while Jeans mental energy in that same comic appeared purple...http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman05003yp8rc0.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsod3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen28116of6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx01817nd6.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen311page10gt9.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29kd3wu7.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny20xmen2019800320on7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx3508cu8.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestarls02p04fi9.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6745/bloodties24te4.jpg
Bro I was just adding my 2cents, I didnt think there was anything wrong with what you said. Ive read lots of cimics and I cant say for sure but we could probably find somebody getting mind blasted with a zak noise.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro I was just adding my 2cents, I didnt think there was anything wrong with what you said. Ive read lots of cimics and I cant say for sure but we could probably find somebody getting mind blasted with a zak noise.
That last think is something I'd like to see...but the point is...this feat is quite suspect...and rather ambiguous when it comes to interpretation. Seeing how Apocalypse has stated that he needs Cable to access the Astral Plane and doesn't mindrape the X-Men like Sinister and can't sense intruders standing right behind him telepathically then...that makes the issue of him even having any telepathy even more suspect.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That last think is something I'd like to see...but the point is...this feat is quite suspect...and rather ambiguous when it comes to interpretation.
Well heres the thing as well. Its not drawn to clearly but we can just about see that the enregy seems to appear on his head. If it was an energy blast there would probably be some energy line going from Apoc to Xavier.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Seeing how Apocalypse has stated that he needs Cable to access the Astral Plane and doesn't mindrape the X-Men like Sinister and can't sense intruders standing right behind him telepathically then...that makes the issue of him even having any telepathy even more suspect.http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG
Thats a good point but I dont think that Apoc has demonstarted the ability to blast energy either. The problem with Apoc is that he seems to be written badly. Did he get powers from his tech or is it natural. Is he uber or does he job...why is he ducking from a table. Does he have menatl powers or not? He just seems really inconsistently written and thats why some feats seem ambigous.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Do you have an instance where he has demonstrated telepathy? 😖hifty: I can't recall anything concrete of the top of my head...not even the OHOTMU Bio in X-Men 2005 says he has telepathy it lists him as a telekinetic though. He needed Cables help to access the Astral Plane during the Onslaught Saga...he needed Baby Cables powers in X-Factor to fight and gain access to the Astral Plane there...the incident where he mind controlled everyone in the Inhumans was through tech. The twelve Saga incident where he fried Xavier could be interpreted as an energy blast..."Zzzrraak"... he has deflected Jean Greys own mental attack back on her. But I can't recall anything that would label him as a telepath 😬Besides if he was a telepath you'd think he'd get cheap shotted less often or just mindrape the X-Men...like Sinister does.
He read Ozymandias' mind.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well heres the thing as well. Its not drawn to clearly but we can just about see that the enregy seems to appear on his head. If it was an energy blast there would probably be some energy line going from Apoc to Xavier.[/center]
It appears around his upper part of his body as well...not just around his head. Logically speaking if you were to blast a telepath you'd blast them in the head.
Thats a good point but I dont think that Apoc has demonstarted the ability to blast energy either. The problem with Apoc is that he seems to be written badly. Did he get powers from his tech or is it natural. Is he uber or does he job...why is he ducking from a table. Does he have menatl powers or not? He just seems really inconsistently written and thats why some feats seem ambigous.
Well if he hasn't demonstrated any telepathy and needed Cable twice to access the astral plane and in one of those instances actually stated that he needed Cable to access the astral plane...then one could conclude that he doesn't have telepathy.
He has actually, he does have Telekinesis....and he does have an energy blast as well:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It appears around his upper part of his body as well...not just around his head. Logically speaking if you were to blast a telepath you'd blast them in the head.
Hmmm your right there. The only thing I can say to that is that it seems to appear rather there. Sometimes artists to draw things accurately but thats a good point.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well if he hasn't demonstrated any telepathy and needed Cable twice to access the astral plane and in one of those instances actually stated that he needed Cable to access the astral plane...then one could conclude that he doesn't have telepathy.He has actually, he does have Telekinesis....and he does have an energy blast as well:
Well as llgarok said he has read Ozys mind so that seems like telepathy. Its not uncommon for somebody to have telekinesis and other mental powers its just meas hes weak at astral projection.
Also he has superhuman durability but had to duck from a wooden table. Sometimes the writers just suck.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Was this when he created Ozymandius through the tech thing? IRRC Ozymandius was able to betray him twice and he didn't detect that telepathically in Blood of Apocalypse.
Well this is the thing. Apoc im quite sure explictily said he read Ozys mind. If he cant detect him Apoc is jobbing again the same way he did with the table.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Was this when he created Ozymandius through the tech thing? IRRC Ozymandius was able to betray him twice and he didn't detect that telepathically in Blood of Apocalypse.
No, centuries later.
Apocalypse casually mentions that he just read his mind. Ask Ash for the scan, or check Apocalypse's respect thread.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well as llgarok said he has read Ozys mind so that seems like telepathy. Its not uncommon for somebody to have telekinesis and other mental powers its just meas hes weak at astral projection.Also he has superhuman durability but had to duck from a wooden table. Sometimes the writers just suck.
Do you know the issue number of the incident? Apocalypse had to find out about Ozymandius' betrayl through Gazer.
Not necessarily Hellion just has TK, Justice just has TK...
Even rudimentary telepaths can access the Astral Plane. 😐
Originally posted by llagrok
No, centuries later.Apocalypse casually mentions that he just read his mind. Ask Ash for the scan, or check Apocalypse's respect thread.
Will do. BrB.
Originally posted by llagrok
No, centuries later.Apocalypse casually mentions that he just read his mind. Ask Ash for the scan, or check Apocalypse's respect thread.
This...?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers10.png
I suppose 😬...I'm going to have to re-read up on how Apocalypse and Ozys Knowledge are mentally linked...because in the same arc we have him asking for Cable to take him to the Astral Plane...and we have Cable hiding Susan telepathically from Apocalypse...and it should also be noted that both Apocalypse in this issue and Ozymandius in Cable #34 said that this event was anticipated a very long time ago...they both refered to it as The Age of Wonders.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Do you know the issue number of the incident? Apocalypse had to find out about Ozymandius' betrayl through Gazer.
Not necessarily Hellion just has TK, Justice just has TK...
Even rudimentary telepaths can access the Astral Plane. 😐
All of them? Dont think Mentallo can. Like I said as well he shouldnt be ducking from tables either.
Originally posted by Alfheim
All of them? Dont think Mentallo can. Like I said as well he shouldnt be ducking from tables either.
Has he tried? Thats the difference. Karma has...IRRC...and she's as weak as they get. Psylocke commented on Rudimentary Telepaths and the Astral Plane during her astral fight with Shadow King in X-Men #77 and #78.
He has like two instances of telepathy..(One ambigous one..and the other I'll give you...but will re-read up on the connection between Ozymandius and Apocalypse)
By that logic feats like Emma Frost using telekinesis would count...which they don't.
I'm going to bump the Apocalypse Telepathy thread to avoid anymore spam here.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Has he tried? Thats the difference. Karma has...IRRC...and she's as weak as they get. Psylocke commented on Rudimentary Telepaths and the Astral Plane during her astral fight with Shadow King in X-Men #77 and #78.He has like two instances of telepathy..(One ambigous one..and the other I'll give you...but will re-read up on the connection between Ozymandius and Apocalypse)
By that logic feats like Emma Frost using telekinesis would count...which they don't.
I'm going to bump the Apocalypse Telepathy thread to avoid anymore spam here.
Yeah I was thinking myself this is going off-topic.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
This...?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers10.pngI suppose 😬...I'm going to have to re-read up on how Apocalypse and Ozys Knowledge are mentally linked...because in the same arc we have him asking for Cable to take him to the Astral Plane...and we have Cable hiding Susan telepathically from Apocalypse...and it should also be noted that both Apocalypse in this issue and Ozymandius in Cable #34 said that this event was anticipated a very long time ago...they both refered to it as The Age of Wonders.
You just won't accept it, will you?
Originally posted by llagrok
You just won't accept it, will you?
It seems odd...since he never users it on the X-Men. Emma's used telekinesis more times then Apocalypse used his so called telepathy. 😬 And they're such ambiguous instances of so called telepathy(We should also take this to the Apocalypse Telepathy thread)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Damn it...posted it in the wrong thread...anyway back to WWH: What If...BlackBolts "No" incinerated both Strange and Sentry huh?
yes even though it's riduculous , but it's pak , logically sentry should have been able to see strange becme disentragted in slow motion and hence fly away without a scarth in superspeed that is assuming BB's 'no' would have hurt him at all?
also how exactly did hulk die?coudl something liek that even kill the hulk where human torches - 'nova flame'(temp of the sun) failed numerously coudl he really die that way? it looks absurd
