World war hulk

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I don't buy the so-called 'fact' that hulk hasn't killed tons of innocents throughout his comic run. That's pure and complete BS, anger distorts your thinking/rational abilities, no way's he getting angrier and angrier and keeping some cool uber calculating capacity in the back of his head while seemingly chaotically wrecking the stuff around him. He also seems most of the time like he's out to kill, from his looks, and that if you'd just push him a tiny bit and not placate him he'd rip your head off... now he's mister harmless misunderstood pet that just seems dangerously lethal and just a few words away from massacring everybody in a 10 mile radius.

Can he see through walls too? Cause no way is wrecking walls all over the place without someone getting hurt or killed.

The implication is that Banner's genius is keeping Hulk partially in check. Banner is supposed to be an intellect among Marvel' Earth's top 5 or 10. I agree it's really stupid though.

Hulk rarely goes after people with the intent of murdering them anyway. Even SavageHulk has said "killing people isn't Hulk's job, trying to be left alone is Hulk's job".

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Anyway, I'm amazed at how much writer love the hulk got here. Given his regular nature/portrayal(retarded caveman-like angry musclebound monstrocity), I'd imagine most writers wouldn't have him in such a favorable light.

Pak just spent all of PlanetHulk transforming Hulk from his former portrayal into a intelligent military and political leader. Why would it surprise you that he wants Hulk to look good?

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Just giving him intelligence(yes I know it's happened before.) and taking out the vast numbers of casualties, just shows writers don't want to deal with the real deal. A retarded angry creature that kills by the thousands at the smallest push. Obviously, no writer or audience could sympathize with the faithful portrayal of hulk.

That's not true at all.

I originally identified with the Hulk/Banner because I'm an intelligent person as well as a pretty big guy with serious anger problems. I grew up loving Hulk because I thought it was wonderful that there was a character who might understand how I felt.

Originally posted by llagrok
^ co sign

What are the kids who read this going to thing? That you can go on a rampage and destroy a city without anyone getting hurt? There are ALWAYS consequences. They were supposed to teach people that the illuminati's actions have consequences, but apparently this doesn't apply to the Hulk.

He was shot with a massive laser beam and has been locked inside a cage that's several miles underground.

How do you see no penealty? Death would probably be appropriate in the real world but we know that can't happen in a comic.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The implication is that Banner's genius is keeping Hulk partially in check. Banner is supposed to be an intellect among Marvel' Earth's top 5 or 10. I agree it's really stupid though.

Hulk rarely goes after people with the intent of murdering them anyway. Even SavageHulk has said "killing people isn't Hulk's job, trying to be left alone is Hulk's job".

Pak just spent all of PlanetHulk transforming Hulk from his former portrayal into a intelligent military and political leader. Why would it surprise you that he wants Hulk to look good?

That's not true at all.

I originally identified with the Hulk/Banner because I'm an intelligent person as well as a pretty big guy with serious anger problems. I grew up loving Hulk because I thought it was wonderful that there was a character who might understand how I felt.

He was shot with a massive laser beam and has been locked inside a cage that's several miles underground.

How do you see no penealty? Death would probably be appropriate in the real world but we know that can't happen in a comic.

I wouldve never thought that you had severe fits of anger,go figure.

Now Llagrok...did you say in an earlier post that a non Extremis Tony Stark could give Captain America a run for his money?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The implication is that Banner's genius is keeping Hulk partially in check. Banner is supposed to be an intellect among Marvel' Earth's top 5 or 10. I agree it's really stupid though.

Yes but from what I've seen emotions trump intelligence, love, anger, etc... especially if they intensify and keep intensifying. Drugs tap reward mechanisms shared by love, and we don't say geniuses are immune from their addictive effects(though they're probably likelier to try to get rehab help). Besides I don't think anyone would've thought banner was always back there keeping him in check, while it seemed he was completely out control and on a rampage.

Hulk rarely goes after people with the intent of murdering them anyway. Even SavageHulk has said "killing people isn't Hulk's job, trying to be left alone is Hulk's job".

Pak just spent all of PlanetHulk transforming Hulk from his former portrayal into a intelligent military and political leader. Why would it surprise you that he wants Hulk to look good?

That's not true at all.

I originally identified with the Hulk/Banner because I'm an intelligent person as well as a pretty big guy with serious anger problems. I grew up loving Hulk because I thought it was wonderful that there was a character who might understand how I felt.

Plus it's one thing to lash out for a few moments while you're angry, and do things you didn't mean. But to me the hulk is almost a whole different person from banner despite sharing the same body, one who's constantly angry and retarded that needs appeasing and carefulness in what you say and do around him, I've not seen him regret his wanton destruction while lacking intelligence(though maybe he has?), and on the edge of killing the people around him... it also seemed to me that if he did kill someone who pushed him, unless it was a known friend, cold bloodedly, he'd rationalize in some retarded fashion(he hurt hulk, he enemy of hulk, hulk hurt him! hulk smash!), and keep on going without regret(again while lacking intelligence).

I always got the impression that if a kid, teen or pregnant woman got near him when very angry, and started pushing him without stop(unlikely as they'd likely run in fear, maybe a few kids or teens wouldn't run, seeing how threatening and deadly he'd seem ), he'd snap them in two or something... again no one could relate to that, but afaik, such things are never shown.

He was shot with a massive laser beam and has been locked inside a cage that's several miles underground.

How do you see no penealty? Death would probably be appropriate in the real world but we know that can't happen in a comic. [/B]

Well, I think he means in terms of consequences to those around him, as in the victims.

Originally posted by strengthkills
I wouldve never thought that you had severe fits of anger,go figure.

Now Llagrok...did you say in an earlier post that a non Extremis Tony Stark could give Captain America a run for his money?

I said that Tony fought Cap without his armor in Civil War.

They did...

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Yes but from what I've seen emotions trump intelligence, love, anger, etc... especially if they intensify and keep intensifying. Drugs tap reward mechanisms shared by love, and we don't say geniuses are immune from their addictive effects(though they're probably likelier to try to get rehab help). Besides I don't think anyone would've thought banner was always back there keeping him in check, while it seemed he was completely out control and on a rampage.

You would think that emotions would trump intelligence, but you'd also think that a gamma bomb would kill Banner.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I know but he does go on rampages(which should result in casualties), and it often looks like if you continue pushing(insults, mockery, etc.) him he is going to hurt you, and most likely kill you.

But he won't. When has Hulk every attacked someone for no reason?

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
No, I'm not surprised. But that's basically transforming hulk into something he normally isn't(and I'm sure it's temporary.). If he's intelligent and rational he's no real threat and not much different from the other heroes.

He's intelligent but far from rational. That makes him plenty dangerous.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Well, they've probably been avoiding the 100s upon 100s of victims in the comics, now the victims just got retconned/wiped from his comic history. I'm sure you wouldn't have seen him in the same light if they'd showed his victims, including women, children and the elderly on panel.

Actually some of the people Hulk has out and out killed were specifically mentioned.

If you showed the unintentional victims of any character with a power level like Hulk's you wouldn't see them in the same light. Hulk doesn't go after people for no reason, originally because he was more destructive than hostile and now because Banner is mediating his actions on a subconscious level.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Plus it's one thing to lash out for a few moments while you're angry, and do things you didn't mean. But to me the hulk is almost a whole different person from banner despite sharing the same body, one who's constantly angry and retarded that needs appeasing and carefulness in what you say and do around him, I've not seen him regret his wanton destruction while lacking intelligence(though maybe he has?), and on the edge of killing the people around him... it also seemed to me that if he did kill someone who pushed him, unless it was a known friend, cold bloodedly, he'd rationalize in some retarded fashion(he hurt hulk, he enemy of hulk, hulk hurt him! hulk smash!), and keep on going without regret(again while lacking intelligence).

Hulk doesn't regret the destruction to my knowledge but he destroys things just to destroy things. Not to hurt people physically.

And yes if Hulk killed someone he'd probably rationalize it. But at the end of WWH we did see him ask to be stopped before he killed everybody.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I always got the impression that if a kid, teen or pregnant woman got near him when very angry, and started pushing him without stop(unlikely as they'd likely run in fear, maybe a few kids or teens wouldn't run, [B]seeing how threatening and deadly he'd seem ), he'd snap them in two or something... again no one could relate to that, but afaik, such things are never shown. [/B]

More likely he'd scare them and leave.

Besides if someone was that stupid it would be really really hard to care or sympathize.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Hulk doesn't regret the destruction to my knowledge but he destroys things just to destroy things. Not to hurt people physically.

And yes if Hulk killed someone he'd probably rationalize it. But at the end of WWH we did see him ask to be stopped before he killed everybody.

I'm pretty sure that if he had lacked his new intelligence at that point he'd continue on a rampage without the slightest care.

More likely he'd scare them and leave.

Besides if someone was that stupid it would be really really hard to care or sympathize.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
I'm pretty sure that if he had lacked his new intelligence at that point he'd continue on a rampage without the slightest care.

Probably.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Well, kids can be quite stupid sometime, but ripping them a new one, even if they were looking for it, ain't acceptable

Cho tried to piss him off as a test. It didn't work anyway.

You might not like it but it's now part of the character. Besides Hulk goes through so many incarnations that the next writer will probably change it.

Hulk's been intelligent and calculating for years now, read some of the issues prior to Planet Hulk.

also, it's been established that Banner = Hulk without the Bulk.

Hulk was always about fear and rage, the rage resulting from the fear Hulk's physicality induced in others (chiefly the military and government).

dunno what the winging is all about, you'd think nobody ever died as a result of the dimensional mucking about that Strange and Reed do on a daily basis, or the thousand and one times that Reed comes close to destroying the world whilst experimenting with things beyond his grasp.

come on, this is comics 😐.

oh and what about the hundreds of thousands/millions of people that Storm and Thor injure/kill as a result of messing about with the weather system and generating random lightning/thunder/hail/snow and such. the weather system is an integrated and highly sensitive phenomena, you think even a special education pupil would fail to see the huge consequences of such weather manipulation?

compared to MOST top tier/herald level heroes, Hulk is a very very small risk to public safety.

Originally posted by janus77
oh and what about the hundreds of thousands/millions of people that Storm and Thor injure/kill as a result of messing about with the weather system and generating random lightning/thunder/hail/snow and such. the weather system is an integrated and highly sensitive phenomena, you think even a special education pupil would fail to see the huge consequences of such weather manipulation?

compared to MOST top tier/herald level heroes, Hulk is a very very small risk to public safety.

Originally posted by Nod
The first point is a good one but the second is bullcrap.

Possibly. Why?

Originally posted by Nod
The first point is a good one but the second is bullcrap.

and many of the top tier heroes manipulate gravity and magnetism, among other fundamental Earth forces, which is just another version of the problem Storm causes.

anyway, main point... people have an irrational hatred of the fictional - comic book - character of The Hulk and go out of their way to ***** and moan and whine, looking for anything that they can think up to throw at the character.

So when is the Red Hulk issue out?

Originally posted by Estacado
So when is the Red Hulk issue out?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Next week...

It was slated for this week...

Bada do you have Thor 5?

Originally posted by strengthkills
It was slated for this week...

Bada do you have Thor 5?

I was looking through the comics coming out this month on marvel.com.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Pretty sure... or it might be the week after. I think Jan 9th though.

I was looking through the comics coming out this month on marvel.com.

I remember seeing Dec.31 or Jan.4,but so far you're more right than I am.

Scheduled for next week

Originally posted by strengthkills
I remember seeing Dec.31 or Jan.4,but so far you're more right than I am.

Edit: 9th.
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