World war hulk

Originally posted by llagrok
Leonidas: Okay, I'm back from work now.

Black Bolt is very reserved when it comes to using his voice, we alln know that. I mainly based the fact that he would ruin the moon on what Professor X said. That if he spoke, he'd bring down Wakanda around them, around them. I know that he can guide his whispers pretty decently, but I didn't know that he could guide a full scream.

bb has awesome control over his energy powers. he probably could bring down wakanda if he allowed his power to just run out of control.

For the record, Sentry wasn't even within his range of vision when Black Bolt whispered in Silent War. Yet he felt a huge amount of pressure.

i suppose it depends on what kind of eefect bb is going for. he was fighting shoulder to shoulder with cyclops and the x-men and using his voice, and none of them were affected at all. 😬

So even when he directed it, those around could still hear it.

if he WANTS them to.

Which is why I thought he would hold back, Medusa was standing close to him. If a whisper is enough to do what we saw in Silent War, shouldn't a scream kill Medusa?

easily. if he WANTED it to. 🙂

I suppose it's feasible that Hulk absorbed ALL of it, since he was so close to him but I still think it's a bit unlikely that a whisper affects all those around him when a scream doesn't.

i'd say it was all DIRECTED at hulk, as opposed to saying it was ABSORBED by hulk.

I used Nate Grey as an example to show that it wasn't such an incredibly big deal if Hulk did shake a dimension with his punch.

we'll disagree there. the 616 is a dimension. i'm not sure the relative size of the dimension hulk shook, but a dimension is . . . pretty large. 😬

Although that's not really a durability feat, now is it? I don't see how that's relevant when discussing whether or not Hulk would've survived Black Bolt's scream.

i never brought it up in regards to durability. i brought it up to say that hulk's power is pretty impressive and his strength feats are>than bb's voice feats. hulk also has some pretty crazy durability feats though. which reminds me -- the high evolutionary has tried matter manip on hulk as well in the past and it failed completely. he simply couldn't do it. so who's to say even if bb DID try the matter manip it would work? 😬

Hulk grabbing Black Bolt's antenna? 😂

i DID sorta bring it up in jest, but if he was close enough (and they appeared to be fighting in close) there really is no reason why hulk couldn't grab it. damaging the antenna has always been very bad for bb.

the other thing in this whole thing is this: we never saw the actual battle, so we're commenting basically on a couple scans and the result. perhaps when the full battle is shown (if) things will make more sense?

anyway, an interesting debate. you're of course welcome to your opinion. i personally just don't see much wrong with how this turned out.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Am I the only one annoyed by how Marvel keeps boasting that Hulk is "smart" now? I mean sure he gained SOME skill of Sakarr, but he isn't anywhere near most characters.

Basically he went from randomly smashing to actually learning how to throw a punch, which is cool, I have nothing against it, but when Marvel acts as if he is the next Cap, its a bit ridiculous

Especially considering he is far from the most skilled warrior in his Warbound

now he's much less 'savage', he's restrained, more cunning and strategic.

he should simply be one of the smartest guys on Marvel Earth, given that a part of him IS Bruce Banner... but that might come in time.

Originally posted by leonidas
bb has awesome control over his energy powers. he probably could bring down wakanda if he allowed his power to just run out of control.

i suppose it depends on what kind of eefect bb is going for. he was fighting shoulder to shoulder with cyclops and the x-men and using his voice, and none of them were affected at all. 😬

if he WANTS them to.

easily. if he WANTED it to. 🙂

i'd say it was all DIRECTED at hulk, as opposed to saying it was ABSORBED by hulk.

we'll disagree there. the 616 is a dimension. i'm not sure the relative size of the dimension hulk shook, but a dimension is . . . pretty large. 😬
i never brought it up in regards to durability. i brought it up to say that hulk's power is pretty impressive and his strength feats are>than bb's voice feats. hulk also has some pretty crazy durability feats though. which reminds me -- the high evolutionary has tried matter manip on hulk as well in the past and it failed completely. he simply couldn't do it. so who's to say even if bb DID try the matter manip it would work? 😬

i DID sorta bring it up in jest, but if he was close enough (and they appeared to be fighting in close) there really is no reason why hulk couldn't grab it. damaging the antenna has always been very bad for bb.

the other thing in this whole thing is this: we never saw the actual battle, so we're commenting basically on a couple scans and the result. perhaps when the full battle is shown (if) things will make more sense?

anyway, an interesting debate. you're of course welcome to your opinion. i personally just don't see much wrong with how this turned out.

The High evolutionary/Hulk business, I'm a bit iffy about that. High evolutionary beaten into a puddle a such, neither of it should be possible. If Hulk is immune to matter manipulation, then Thanos shouldn't have been able to attack him though since most of his attacks are matter manip or power cosmic.

I based my statement on Black Bolt having not so good control over his voice, I suppose I underestimated him. Though I'm never going to agree with the fact that Hulk took a shout or scream from him.

With that said, I suppose his scream not affecting Medusa wasn't PIS after all.

High Evolutionary's sentient armor tried to devolve Hulk.... and failed....

Which doesn't make much sense to me....

if you look you'll prolly find evidence to support BOTH stances as regards hulk's invulnerability to matter manip. 😬 that's why i don't like calling pis. BOTH cases can and HAVE been true.

thanos's PC has reduced hulk to almost a skeleton in the past (a fake thanos but one with some of thanos's power) but hulk healed from it in moments.

as regards to taking the scream, it boils down to this for me: the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets but the more invulnerable to gets as well. his healing factor would deal with almost any damage instantly. couple that with the fact that the extent of damage bb can do with his scream is speculatory and has never been shown, and i don't think his surviving the scream is really all that unbelieveable. namor himself seemed to believe that hulk would kill all the illuminati. that fact also lends some believeability to what happened.

now, when/if hulk beats dr strange (unless it is through some clever writing) i may have an issue with that.

Namor also believes he's invulnerable under water 🙂

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
High Evolutionary's sentient armor tried to devolve Hulk.... and failed....

Which doesn't make much sense to me....

The only explanation besides "he's just immune" that I can think of is that there's nothing about Hulk to devolve. He comes out of Banner's mind not biological evolution.

Originally posted by llagrok
Namor also believes he's invulnerable under water 🙂

that is true . . . 😬

Namor thinks he king sh!t under the water. But Herc. has already proved that even underwater his strength surpasses even Namors.

Namor is prone to Hyperbole, its part of his character, hes vey arrogant.

Originally posted by leonidas
if you look you'll prolly find evidence to support BOTH stances as regards hulk's invulnerability to matter manip. 😬 that's why i don't like calling pis. BOTH cases can and HAVE been true.

thanos's PC has reduced hulk to almost a skeleton in the past (a fake thanos but one with some of thanos's power) but hulk healed from it in moments.

as regards to taking the scream, it boils down to this for me: the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets but the more invulnerable to gets as well. his healing factor would deal with almost any damage instantly. couple that with the fact that the extent of damage bb can do with his scream is speculatory and has never been shown, and i don't think his surviving the scream is really all that unbelieveable. namor himself seemed to believe that hulk would kill all the illuminati. that fact also lends some believeability to what happened.

now, when/if hulk beats dr strange (unless it is through some clever writing) i may have an issue with that.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor thinks he king sh!t under the water. But Herc. has already proved that even underwater his strength surpasses even Namors.

definitely don't remember seeing that.

Namor is just worried about atlantis. so he will stay out of the whole thing.

Originally posted by Disappear
definitely don't remember seeing that.

i fuggin luv herc! 😂

i just gonna go ahead and guess that that was well before zeus stripped him of his immortality and cut him to about half-strength.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor thinks he king sh!t under the water. But Herc. has already proved that even underwater his strength surpasses even Namors.

In terms of raw strength yes, but Namor would still beat Herc under water, no question 😐

again, that's pre-"daddy hates me" hercules.

Originally posted by Grimm22
In terms of raw strength yes, but Namor would still beat Herc under water, no question 😐

Originally posted by Disappear
i just gonna go ahead and guess that that was well before zeus stripped him of his immortality and cut him to about half-strength.

Originally posted by llagrok :
According to the planet of the Hulk guidebook/handbook, he's class 100.

[QUOTE=9120727]Originally posted by ankur29
[B]coudl you post some of the bio's from the wwh handbook?
hulk's would be good?

also guys do you think the hulk is class 100(excess 100 tons) now while at a calm state as he is powered up now?