Pre-Crisis Superman vs Odin

Originally posted by Ouallada

He has. IG incident. The only thing that matters is that you have comprehensively failed to prove otherwise on any of the situations you attacked. So yeah, according to your prevalent logic, SS would certain accelerate that quickly. Everything else is moot.

Your English comprehension is going down the toilet huh?
I said "SS has not proved that he will accelerate to light speed in under 2 seconds in a forum fight. Right?" Do you know what that means?

It means that, according to your logic, one or two instances aren't enough to prove that someone will do something in a forum fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your English comprehension is going down the toilet huh?
I said "SS has not proved that he will accelerate to light speed in under 2 seconds in a [B]forum fight. Right?" Do you know what that means?

It means that, according to your logic, one or two instances aren't enough to prove that someone will do something in a forum fight. [/B]

He has. IG incident. The only thing that matters is that you have comprehensively failed to prove otherwise on any of the situations you attacked. So yeah, according to your prevalent logic, SS would certainly accelerate that quickly. Everything else is moot.

Read above. Properly this time.

And yes, I would seriously doubt if SS would accelerate so quickly everytime if I were to debate him. Doesn't matter, as not many other characters can do better on average.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your English comprehension is going down the toilet huh?
I said "SS has not proved that he will accelerate to light speed in under 2 seconds in a [B]forum fight.[/B]

What, you managed to prove that did you?

Don't worry. He has failed to prove that my english comprehension is going down the toilet, and has failed just as badly to prove that SS cannot do so, and hence must be assumed to be able to replicate the feat 10000/10 according to his imaginary interpretation of the rules.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Don't worry. He has failed to prove that my english comprehension is going down the tilet, and has failed just as badly to prove that SS cannot do so, and hence must be assumed to be able to replicate the feat 10000/10 according to his imaginary interpretation of the rules.

I just can't remain civil anymore. Its pure and utter failure every single time. Its pure and utter failure from some guy who thinks hes a genuis.

So, how many people think Superman can actually defeat Odin?

Originally posted by Rorschach
So, how many people think Superman can actually defeat Odin?

Don't know but im not one of them.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The C has to do with everything. A and B are both inputs. My argument is that just because A indicates B does not mean that C takes place every single time by default. Case in point: Thor can do the Godblast (fulfilling A), thus showing that he can do it again (fulfilling B). However, this does not mean that he WILL do it again anywhere near 10/10 times (which is C, where we both differ). My previous analogy was aimed towards showing you that powersets differ from an entity's character or personality, and that certain actions that are within an entity's powerset (eg me killing someone) are restricted by character, while accounting for the fact that powersets restrict character impulses as well (Joker with Mxy's power).

As far as the rest of the babble, its simply an interpretation of the rules which the majority of the board uses. IE superman will use his speed, simply not consistently at his peak levels. That is undeniably the path of reasoning that most of the logical posters use. And yes, CIS has to do with a character not being at his peak due to character limitations, which is obviously why a character CANNOT consistently perform at a peak if it isn't within character to.

You are the one insinuating that warp speed IS the same. The burden of proof would be on you. In this case, there are literally millions of cases in which warp speed is used simply as a phrase. Books have been titled "IT moving at warp speed". Journals have done the same. I'm waiting for where the COMIC writer defined it as light speed, though.

1. He can navigate space, hyperspace and dimensional barriers, and can fly at near-limitless speeds on his board, entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed.

2. By exceeding 99% of the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), the Silver Surfer can shift himself into hyperspace, a dimension in which velocity is not limited by the speed of light.

And in Annihilation: The Nova Corps Files #1 (Oct. 2006) it says
He can navigate through space, dimensional barriers, and hyperspace, which he enters to exceed the speed of light when flying on his board.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What, you managed to prove that did you?

Your comprehension is going down the toilet too I see.
I said, according to his logic SS hasn't proved he will acceleration to light speed in under 2 seconds. I didn't say that SS can't do so.

Originally posted by Rorschach
So, how many people think Superman can actually defeat Odin?

I do and easily (by hitting Odin before he reacts or operates).

Originally posted by h1a8
Your comprehension is going down the toilet too I see.
I said, [B]according to his logic SS hasn't proved he will acceleration to light speed in under 2 seconds. I didn't say that SS can't do so. [/B]

Ermmm is it me...but....nevermind. To be quite honest I don't what either of you are talking about at this stage but you're probably talking nonsense.

Originally posted by h1a8
I do and easily (by hitting Odin before he reacts or operates).

PC Superman at his peak, easy.

PostC Superman only sunamped 😏

Originally posted by h1a8
I do and easily (by hitting Odin before he reacts or operates).

Originally posted by Stormbreaker
hysterical

Oh ****. I just looked at your profile. LMFAO lmao

Originally posted by h1a8
You must understand that these characters fight only once. That means they will either use a tactic or not. We argue who will win and not who has a higher probability of winning. The rules say that a character will use any powers at their disposal. The level in which they used them is not my argument.
There is only one true interpretation of exact words; any other interpretations are false. Performing non optimal is not the same as fighting stupid. A character is not fighting stupid if he is moving as fast as he can and only reaches a speed that is their average (not best). CIS implies stupidity.

I am hard-pressed to understand where your assumption that you are a logical being comes from. If characters fight once, with ten such individually independent encounters, probability is everything. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about finance or even gambling for that matter will tell you that. You know that x/10 we assign to battles? Yeah, that happens to be the probability that A beats B, using previous character history and knowledge as a gauge. Using a simple situation, how many times would I get heads if I flipped a coin enough times? The only correct answer in the long run, keeping everything else constant, is half the number of flips. That probability is half. Probability applies for every single move in every single fight, no matter what you may think.

The rules do indeed say that characters will use their full powerset. A quick look through my posts will show you that I have no problem with that. The level at which said abilities are used WAS originally one of your arguments, but has thankfully been dismissed. It is, however, closely linked to your refusal to understand what being in character is.

CIS simply implies that unless a character is a genius or has been consistently shown to act in a certain way, optimal strategy is a rare and unviable tactic. That works in tandem with entities being in character to ensure that full powersets are used together with limitations from a character's natural intelligence and character. And yes, average showings should be used most of the time. You are learning.

Originally posted by h1a8
In that case, you haven't proved anything as of yet. Everything you said was either speculation or your own interpretation and no proof whatsoever. Also, it is in SS's official bios that he can reach faster than light speeds only when traveling through hyperspace (warp speed travel). Here's some quotes:

1. He can navigate space, hyperspace and dimensional barriers, and can fly at near-limitless speeds on his board, entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed.

2. By exceeding 99% of the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), the Silver Surfer can shift himself into hyperspace, a dimension in which velocity is not limited by the speed of light.

And in Annihilation: The Nova Corps Files #1 (Oct. 2006) it says
He can navigate through space, dimensional barriers, and hyperspace, which he enters to exceed the speed of light when flying on his board.

Seeing as I have already given you the quote which explicitly states that you are dismissing SS' ability to accelerate quickly in situations except the IG incident, it seems that you are the one with something to prove. I certainly do not have to exactly prove that SS can accelerate to an arbitrary speed within an arbitrary time limit. I just have to ensure that you can't, which isn't really a problem at all. Before questioning the ethics behind such a path, do understand that I felt and still feel that your point on acceleration is always going to be impossible to prove, as 1) characters are almost never in a state of complete rest before accelerating 2) there is a lack of numerical evidence. If you're going to generalise and attack SS' acceleration, you are inclined to prove your point. Or simply concede that you can't and save us all the trouble.

Thanks for telling us what hyperspace means. The lack of definition of warp speed was telling, though. Don't keep me waiting too long.

Originally posted by h1a8
When did I say that eternity can't hurt juggernaut? I think you got me mistaken. But thinking about it, the only way eternity can physically hurt Juggs is if he somehow takes away his enchantment or alters his being (Indirectly). The crimson bands of cyttorak that surrounds Juggs are of the same strength that holds the universe together. So unless Eternity is powerful enough to break the bonds of the universe then he cannot physically and directly hurt Juggs.

lmfao

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Originally posted by h1a8
When did I say that eternity can't hurt juggernaut? I think you got me mistaken. But thinking about it, the only way eternity can physically hurt Juggs is if he somehow takes away his enchantment or alters his being (Indirectly). The crimson bands of cyttorak that surrounds Juggs are of the same strength that holds the universe together. So unless Eternity is powerful enough to break the bonds of the universe then he cannot physically and directly hurt Juggs.

lmfao

h1a8 is crazy to believe that superman can beat odin. His love for superman is ridiculous.

Originally posted by carver9
h1a8 is crazy to believe that superman can beat odin. His love for superman is ridiculous.

My love for speed is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
h1a8 is crazy to believe that superman can beat odin. His love for superman is ridiculous.

Superman wouldn't stand a chance, that's true, except sunamped 😉.

BUT

we talk about PC-Supes, and that is something different^^.