11 If Jean can telekinetically control all the atoms of a reality then its completely feasible that she can telekinetically rip a reality apart. If Nate Grey can telekinetically control all the atoms of a mountain range, then if it was his will its completely feasible that he could disperse those atoms therefore tearing that atom apart. To argue against that because he didn’t do so on panel would be fallacious. Its like arguing against LT being able to take out Wolverine because he hasn’t actually done so on panel despite him performing feats which make it completely feasible that he could do so if it was his will. 😬
12 Despite all those possibilities Cobweb saw where Jaspers potential was realised and he became an omniversal threat, that is irrelevant when on panel he never actually realized that potential. Using future possibilities to argue a characters present capability is a useless exercise and very naïve. All you know is the present and the future and no knowledge of what came in between. For all you know an external factor could have lead to Jaspers reaching that potential. You just don’t know. Either way its irrelevant because before he could do anything remotely impressive he got assassinated by a robot and cast aside like a ragdoll:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
11 If Jean can telekinetically control all the atoms of a reality then its completely feasible that she can telekinetically rip a reality apart. If Nate Grey can telekinetically control all the atoms of a mountain range, then if it was his will its completely feasible that he could disperse those atoms therefore tearing that atom apart. To argue against that because he didn’t do so on panel would be fallacious. Its like arguing against LT being able to take out Wolverine because he hasn’t actually done so on panel despite him performing feats which make it completely feasible that he could do so if it was his will. 😬
meant to say "therefore tearing that mountain range apart"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1 For one who so resolutely abides by the handbooks verdict for their arguments I find it rather amusing that you’re ignoring the fact that the handbooks state that Jaspers warped nothing but the UK, the world at the most.Given that on panel the damage Jaspers wrecks is presented by Captain Britain and by the title of the issue (“Anarchy in the UK”) as being countrywide, global at the most that coupled with the handbooks word on the matter mean that officially your opinion isn’t the case.
Jaspers being one with the universe as stated on the marvunapp site doesn’t equate to his warp having warped the universe.
Ambiguous and far from conclusive lines from Jaspers stating that “I made everything, the stars” etc don’t equate to him having warped the entire universe and could instead mean he remade everything within the confines of his warp which could well include the stars in view as reality doesn’t have to make sense within an area under the influence of a reality warper. A reality warper could grab the stars they see in the sky and eat them if they wished as they can determine the physical laws of reality within their sphere of influence.
With all that in mind, I have provided a handbook entry stating clearly the scale of the warp, I have illustrated how Captain Britain only refers to Jaspers having done damage to the U.K and how the title of the issue where it all occurs is “Anarchy in the UK”
Please come up with a scan stating the scale of Jaspers warp specifically. Not an ambiguous, open to interpretation from Jaspers, or an unrelated statement from marvunapp saying he was one with the universe which says nothing of the scale of his warp. (e.g Storm can become one with the planet does that mean her influence can extend across the entire globe. Silver Surfer can become one with the universe via Cosmic Awareness does that mean his cosmic power can influence directly the entire universe at once?)
I Disagree with all of this, 100%
And as for your "Anarchy in the UK" Theory,
the Jaspers 238 Arc was was called "Crooked World"
so go figure.
Now tell me Jaspers 238 didn't Recreate the 238 Realtiy
bacuse the of the title of the story. 🙄
The rest of your posts on the previous page have been addressed.
But I particularly enjoyed how you attempted to twist what Jamie did. 😂
ol' GS ... 🙄
Here 616 Jamie has created an entire Universe from scratch,
he even made a counter-part of Himself in this Alternate Universe he Created,
Kitty Pride notices and explains:
Here Jamie is absorbing Rogue's, Phoenix 2's and Meggan's powers all at once,
again 616 Jamie who's IN the 616 Reality is manipulating everything,
in this separate Whole Universe He Created:
Here Jamie turns all the STARS in this Universe into Snow Flakes,
in order to take away Havok's power's at the time which relied on Stellar Energy:
Here back on 616 Kitty realizes how to defeat Jamie,
she talks to him like she's his mother and makes him go to bed. 😂
immediately the Alternate Universe fades away including the Alternate Jamie:
You don't like it,
write Marvel a letter.
"He is lonely, but he is also GOD
Mad Jim Jaspers Recreates the 616 Universe
"I made everything actually,
I made the sky,
I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
"BOTH Jaspers could effortlessly Warp Reality on a Dimension-Wide Scale"
(exceprt form the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006)
You don't like it,
tell it to Marvel. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I Disagree with all of this, 100%And as for your "Anarchy in the UK" Theory,
the Jaspers 238 Arc was was called "Crooked World"
so go figure.
Now tell me Jaspers 238 didn't Recreate the 238 Realtiy
bacuse the of the title of the story. 🙄
The handbooks state that he only warped the U.K and they said it was the globe at the most.
Your entire perspective on the scale of Jaspers warp is based on Jaspers line that he created everything, the stars etc. You forget to acknowledge that he could very well have created everything within his reality warp which was never shown to be anything but global. Within a reality warp nothing has to make sense, the laws are determined by Jaspers so it’s all possible. Either way Jaspers through depicted act definitely does not do anything beyond the global. Jaspers through speech never refers to warping the entire universe so you are unsupported. All you've done is try to weave together a case based on ambiguous far from definitive statements. I myself will stick to what i saw happen in the comics and when how I see things is picked up and supported by the Official Handbook I am left quite confident with my interpretation.
Your Excalibur related repost was unnecessary as it was handled on the previous page. It has yet to be countered please do so as opposed to just relaying your opinion once again:
Jaspers likely could have remade the entire universe however the crux of the matter is he didn’t. On panel he only got as far as warping the globe as stated on the marvunapp site and in the official bio entry for Jaspers
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
The picture you have posted of Jaspers in a star-scape does NOT show Jaspers having recreated the universe. That is either a misinterpretation or a lie. Captain Britain walked into a building that Jaspers had warped reality within, he walked through one of the room doors within only to be met with that scene you’ve presented. Please show me where on panel it’s stated or depicted that Jaspers recreated the universe? Given that that was within a room, within a building in London England I find that somewhat puzzling. Not only have you no support on panel to present that opinion as the truth here, but you have no support in the handbook which states the warp to have been global (thereby shutting down your interpretation). The marvunapp site says the same thing but it does actually refer to that instance and says that scene merely shows Jaspers one with reality/universe. That’s different to Jaspers having recreated the universe, just means hes attuned to it all. Silver Surfer and many not particularly powerful cosmics are the same through cosmic awareness, no big deal im afraid.
😆
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
Here's the Proof
In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
Another instance,
BIO:
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)
On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit
I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
a Giant at ONE with the Universe"
This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,
seals the coffin. 🙂
Remember, this site is officially approved by Marvel.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Didn't Dark Phoenix make Mastermind one with the universe, hell my yoga instructer says he's one with the universe, but he's still broke.
Negative.
Phoenix spread Masterminds Consciousness across the Universe.
Jaspers became the actual Universe.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
swank
The point is she expanded his mind to a point of cosmic awareness to show him what it was like being a god he couldn't handle it. I bring up the yoga instructor because the meditations and the use of OM are to make one experience the divine, making them "one with the universe" it's easy to feel a sense of omnipotence and delusions of grandeur when you are made aware of all the myriad truths and contradictions that make up reality.
Also if he became one with the universe and by extension was able to control it why is he boasting about making things that already exist? Sounds to me like he created a pocket of reality in which to shape matter and energy as he saw fit. In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, on team 2, who's the most powerful
Well the Nullifiers erase Time & Space (Eternity/Infinity)
Jaspers is immune to Nullifiers, like Fury.
Jaspers Warped the 616 Universe and there seemed to be no sign of him stopping there.
In fact, without a doubt the Multiverse and then the Omniverse would have been Waped,
if not for the Fury.
So IMO,
Jaspers>Eternity>Fury in power.
Fury>Jaspers>Eternity in battle.
Originally posted by LordKaos
The point is she expanded his mind to a point of cosmic awareness to show him what it was like being a god he couldn't handle it. I bring up the yoga instructor because the meditations and the use of OM are to make one experience the divine, making them "one with the universe" it's easy to feel a sense of omnipotence and delusions of grandeur when you are made aware of all the myriad truths and contradictions that make up reality.
This is inconsequential.
Having Cosmic Awareness and being the Universe are to separate issues.
616 Jaspers became 616 Eternity basically.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Also if he became one with the universe and by extension was able to control it why is he boasting about making things that already exist?
He's boasting about what he re-created through his Warp.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Sounds to me like he created a pocket of reality in which to shape matter and energy as he saw fit. In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.
I disagree.
I already posted several sources from diffent issues,
including Two different Bios,
clearly stating the ENITRE 616 Universe was messed with.
Originally posted by LordKaos
In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.
Actually by him restructuring the Universe he's Creating Reality anew.
So "I Created the Stars" applies.
In most cases when people say they are one with the universe it takes cosmic awareness for them to draw that conclusion.
So where was eternity when all this happened, and now that Jaspers is not the universe anymore, who is? since he must have destroyed the first Eternity to usurp his position. Or did he just say "here you go eternity, I'm finished being you, you can come back now"?
And doesn't eternity usually go and tattle to LT when someone plays with his toys, why didn't he show up, oh wait he was warped too right?
Originally posted by Bentley
Survival of the fittest is fair game to the LT, Jaspers is as fit as you can get.I assume that all the warping Jaspers did was somehow undone after his dead, otherwise the MU would be really funky in the aftermath.
I get that about LT, but eternity on the other has been known to call on him when something as big as being replaced threatens his position whether it warrants LTs attention or not, like with the IG.
If he is as powerful as he and everybody else says then his death shouldn't have changed anything, it should be one of those it can't be undone unless something with equal or greater power reverses it deals, like matter manipulations by Sersi, they stick no matter what unless another matter manipulator changes it.
