Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt have the new gods power permanently. But he was tapping into them. Once he killed jimmy he would possess them solely.Right here is when they both lost the amp because Palmer destroyed the soul battery thus cutting off both their connections to these awesome powers. As you can see immediately afterwards Ds shrinks.
Darkseid while battling Jimmy was not amped, he lost control of the powers inside Olsen and beat Olsen to get them back, shows how powerful DS really is and besides Olsen is just a human with the those powers and not used to them. And Darkseid does not shrink because he "lost the powers" he never had them in the fight and used his own powers. Darkseid started to shrink cause Palmer started to and DS wanted to "send him away" by looking him straight in the eye's, sorta down on his own level and do it, then of course Orion shows up 😉
And why do they call it the Soul Battery? He calls it that to keep himself (DS) alive while understanding the Equation... btw still not much is known about The Source but what we do know is that it's responsible for nearly everything...
Originally posted by Astner
They're actually debating. Using referesnces as evidence ...
Originally posted by kevdudeHe still had control of the powers inside of jimmy. My scan explains why Jimmy lost his size. Palmer pulled the soul battery out of him. Darkseid still had access to this soul battery as he himself implanted it within Olsen. When it was destroyed darkseid thus lost the connection to the new gods energies. This explains why he lost his size as soon as the soul battery was destroyed.
Darkseid while battling Jimmy was not amped, he lost control of the powers inside Olsen and beat Olsen to get them back, shows how powerful DS really is and besides Olsen is just a human with the those powers and not used to them. And Darkseid does not shrink because he "lost the powers" he never had them in the fight and used his own powers. Darkseid started to shrink cause Palmer started to and DS wanted to "send him away" by looking him straight in the eye's, sorta down on his own level and do it, then of course Orion shows up 😉And why do they call it the Soul Battery? He calls it that to keep himself (DS) alive while understanding the Equation... btw still not much is known about The Source but what we do know is that it's responsible for nearly everything...
The first scan explains how Darkseid controlled when and where Olsen used his powers.
The second scan shows that Palmer destroyed that control over Olsens powers that Darkseid had.
This mean Olsen could control them on his own. Darkseid still had access but couldnt control Olsen as he had in the past.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He still had control of the powers inside of jimmy. My scan explains why Jimmy lost his size. Palmer pulled the soul battery out of him. Darkseid still had access to this soul battery as he himself implanted it within Olsen. When it was destroyed darkseid thus lost the connection to the new gods energies. This explains why he lost his size as soon as the soul battery was destroyed.The first scan explains how Darkseid controlled when and where Olsen used his powers.
The second scan shows that Palmer destroyed that control over Olsens powers that Darkseid had.
This mean Olsen could control them on his own. Darkseid still had access but couldnt control Olsen as he had in the past.
Wrong again, picking and choosing scans just to try to support your theories is not going to work. Darkseid himself says "I don't know how control of the POWER inside you has been PRIED from my grasp, but no matter, I WILL still kill you and the very ESSENCE of the New Gods will FLOW into your corpse into me". Do I need to put up the scan? Kyle is amazed at how big DS is and wonders how hes able to do that, and Donna just says "How could you be surprised Kyle, he's freaking Darkseid". He's a god and a powerful one at that... ✅
Originally posted by kevdudeI put up a scan showing how Darkseid lost his control. Darkseid didnt know Palmer was the one who over rode and severed his control over Olsen. Thats why he made this comment. He could tap into the new gods power but didnt permanently have the power or the essence if you will until he had killed Olsen. Before he could ctonriol when Olsen used his powers but not after Palmer screwed around. He later destroyed the soul battery thus cutting off these powers from Darkseid and when he pulled it out of Olsen, Olsen lost his powers.
Wrong again, picking and choosing scans just to try to support your theories is not going to work. Darkseid himself says "I don't know how control of the POWER inside you has been PRIED from my grasp, but no matter, I WILL still kill you and the very ESSENCE of the New Gods will FLOW into your corpse into me". Do I need to put up the scan? Kyle is amazed at how big DS is and wonders how hes able to do that, and Donna just says "How could you be surprised Kyle, he's freaking Darkseid". He's a god and a powerful one at that... ✅
Kyle's comments had nothing to do with what actually was happening. I think his comments meant he is Darkseid and we shouldnt be surprised at all because of his reputation.
Dont you realize that when Palmer came out with the soul battery and took it from Olsen that Olsen shrunk. The reason Darkseid hadnt shrunk yet is because he could still access powers from it. He didnt have the powers into his essence yet and needed to kill Olsen with the soul battery intact.
Originally posted by Galan007Actually, making the sun go nova was a direct attack on LT's part, as he was actively trying to destroy the earth [which was his cosmic decree]. After this "ultimate punishment" failed, LT disconnected that universe from the multiverse, indirectly ending Korvac's threat.
But imo, not really an opinion actually,
a direct attack would be LT attacking Korvac,
instead of LT making a Sun go Nova, to attack Korvac, who's aided by Death.
It was the Nova/Sun that attacked Korvac, not the LT.
Originally posted by Galan007PIS or not, and as funny as it may be, it's still a canonical showing for LT.
Silly "What ifs."
Hey,
I can rip entire Universes and discard them into impenetrable barriers,
but hey,
I'm just gonna make the local Sun go Nova to beat you. dontgetit
Hey, the UN can erase you and your entire Universe from existence,
but I (LT), who am >>>> UN ... can't affect you. durlaugh
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Don't get me wrong brother G,
I'm not saying it didn't happen,
but it was 100% PIS in the end.
Originally posted by Mr MasterLT's "ultimate punishment" was intended to wipe out the earth. That's why he made the sun go nova. After that failed, LT disconnected that reality, because he apparently couldn't do anything else to stop Korvac, back then.
It was the Nova/Sun that attacked Korvac, not the LT.
Anyhow, what I was getting at is, out of those 2 feats, one was more direct than the other. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterDamn your edits!! 😛
Don't get me wrong brother G,
I'm not saying it didn't happen,
but it was 100% PIS in the end.
Anyhow, I know that event smelt of PIS - but it was a canonical LT showing.
Originally posted by Galan007LT's "ultimate punishment" was intended to wipe out the earth.
That's why he made the sun go nova. After that failed, LT disconnected that reality, because he apparently couldn't do anything else to stop Korvac, back then.
Dr Strange acknowledges the LT can destroy Earth 616 with a gesture:
That's the real LT, about to truly attack the Earth directly with his own power,
he doesn't need a silly Sun going Nova to attack/destroy the Earth,
he can do it with his own power, with a gesture in fact.
Originally posted by Galan007You keep mentioning this event taking place in "What If"
as if that somehow dampers what went on.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI didn't see LT directly attack anything. I saw Strange say LT could destroy earth if he wanted.
That's the real LT, about to truly attack the Earth directly with his own power,
he doesn't need a silly Sun going Nova to attack/destroy the Earth,
he can do it with his own power, with a gesture in fact.
In the What If, we actually see LT's "ultimate judgement" fail. 😛
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou proved that Strange said LT could destroy earth, back then.
I just proved it. 😛
However, none of this makes what happened in the What If, any less canonical. If we are to disregard LT in that issue, we must also disregard LT's "I exist in all multiverses simultaneously", aura.
evillaugh
Originally posted by quanchi112
I put up a scan showing how Darkseid lost his control. Darkseid didnt know Palmer was the one who over rode and severed his control over Olsen. Thats why he made this comment. He could tap into the new gods power but didnt permanently have the power or the essence if you will until he had killed Olsen. Before he could ctonriol when Olsen used his powers but not after Palmer screwed around. He later destroyed the soul battery thus cutting off these powers from Darkseid and when he pulled it out of Olsen, Olsen lost his powers.Kyle's comments had nothing to do with what actually was happening. I think his comments meant he is Darkseid and we shouldnt be surprised at all because of his reputation.
Dont you realize that when Palmer came out with the soul battery and took it from Olsen that Olsen shrunk. The reason Darkseid hadnt shrunk yet is because he could still access powers from it. He didnt have the powers into his essence yet and needed to kill Olsen with the soul battery intact.
So let me see DS had the power and didn't have it all at the same time? 😂 Can't make up your mind? When the New Gods powers was taken away from DS he was small then grew in size to battle Jimmy "You want the power I got inside me Darkseid?" Noting DS does not have the power and his connection to Jimmy is stopped. Then notice that Ray Palmer unplugs the Soul Battery from Jimmy and he begins shrinking, if DS was still leaching power from Jimmy at the time Darkseid would have shrunk as well but didn't, ONLY when the battery was totally destroyed and Ray Palmer was shrinking down to an atom to try to hide from Darkseid did he begin shrinking and wanted to take out Ray personally.. Keep up Q
Originally posted by Galan007I didn't see LT directly attack anything.
I saw Strange say LT could destroy earth if he wanted.
Dr Strange talked him out of it.
So of course he didn't destroy it,
but it proves he could've with his own power instead of using a Nova Sun (senseless)
as Dr Strange stated,
"need I more proof that the LT possess limitless power,
power which would destroy the Earth with but a nod?"
Originally posted by Galan007In the What If, we actually see LT's "ultimate judgement" fail.
Originally posted by Galan007You proved that Strange said LT could destroy earth, back then.
Not indirectly through a silly Sun going Nova. 😂
Originally posted by Galan007However, none of this makes what happened in the What If, any less canonical. If we are to disregard LT in that issue, we must also disregard LT's "I exist in all multiverses simultaneously", aura.
I never said it didn't happen.
I said it was PIS, 100% PIS.
Why would the LT need a Sun going Nova to attack Korvac,
when he could've attacked Korvac himself,
as in,
blasting Korvac,
as in imploding the Galaxy that Earth & Korvac were in,
as in,
meh, so many options.
I'll tell ya why,
PIS!
Thought this one was funny:
Originally posted by Mr Master"As the million Galaxies are under my keeping."
The million Galaxies under LT's keeping, back then is a whole lot < the infinite number of infinite multiverses he keeps, now. So by that alone we can certainly deduce that LT's power has certainly expanded, and his role become much larger, in recent times.
Anyhow, the whole reason I started posting here is because LT's a lot more impressive nowadays, then he was decades ago. That much I'm sure you can agree with. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Thought this one was funny: "As the million Galaxies are under my keeping."
The million Galaxies under LT's keeping, back then is a whole lot < the infinite number of infinite multiverses he keeps, now. So by that alone we can certainly deduce that LT's power has certainly expanded, and his role become much larger, in recent times.
Heh.
Heh, huh, ha.
Originally posted by Galan007Thought this one was funny: "As the million Galaxies are under my keeping."
The million Galaxies under LT's keeping, back then is a whole lot < the infinite number of infinite multiverses he keeps, now. So by that alone we can certainly deduce that LT's power has certainly expanded, and his role become much larger, in recent times.
"When Zom was unleashed,
the very framework of infinity was rent asunder"
Infinity then, infinity now. 😬
Originally posted by Galan007Anyhow, the whole reason I started posting here is because LT's a lot more impressive nowadays, then he was decades ago. That much I'm sure you can agree with.
But all of Marvel, is all of Marvel.
Sise-Neg (1972) is credited with re-creating the SAME Marvel Universe,
that Entropy/Genis recreated in 2002,
that Thanos re-created in 2003,
and that the Alien Entity re-created in 2006.
Originally posted by Mr MasterCould've been a million galaxies contained within said infinity *shrug*. Either way, I'ze just going by what LT personally stated, in that scan you posted.
Heh, huh, ha.Pick a winner:
Infinity then, infinity now.
Originally posted by Mr MasterIf you ask me, calling one's ultimate punishment, making a star go nova, is a lot less impressive than holding twin megaverses in the palm of one's hand. Just saying. 🙂
They only seem more impressive because the Marvel Universe has grown,
so obviously,
they have more territory to play with,
making feats seem more grand.
