Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wikipedia, whilst it can provide true info, is able to be edited by anybody.So it's not necessarily always right.
-AC
This is actually irrelevant. If you edit an article on Wikipedia, it will be changed back to the information that was displayed previously shortly after the edit.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wasn't disagreeing, I think Sorgo's a bit of a div.-AC
You would. 😉
Originally posted by Schecter
it doesnt matter. the point i made was that the term 4:20 became popular among stoners in the early to mid 90's. i never implied that the wiki article was correct or incorrect in the actual origin, which likely stayed inside circles/on a local level for a considerable time.:edit: it was a code after all
The thing is; You're wrong.
420 was popular before the nineties.
"The Web site says that 420 was a California tradition in the 1970s that became a nationwide ritual, a lingo and a holiday for cannabis smokers."
"ccording to Steven Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who are now pushing 50. The term was shorthand for the time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis Pasteur, to smoke pot. Intent on developing their own discreet language, they made 420 code for a time to get high, and its use spread among members of an entire generation. While our teens feel that they know something we don't, you can let them in on the fact that it was your generation that came up with the numbers."
"The origin was clear. Shortly after, april 20th became the day that weed was smoked abundantly. This was among the late 70's, I'm sure."
referenced by wiki:
420 TIMELINE
420 is not so much a time or place as it is a state of mind. A stoned state of mind, to be specific. In the past, HIGH TIMES has reported on various competing theories surrounding the appearance of this unique bit of smoker slang, but as the following timeline clearly shows, the controversy has been resolved. The original story of 420 begins with five fellow students - all of whom assumed the nom de pot Waldo - who met after school at the appointed hour to smoke some of Californias finest, and occasionally searched for a hidden pot feild they'd heard about in the hills outside town.1971 - Five San Rafael High School students christen the term "4:20," meeting daily at that hour to share a smoke under the school's statue of Louis Pasteur. The original password: "420 Louis."
1972 - Carmen Electra is born on 4/20 in Cincinnati.
1973-1989 - 420 languishes in obscurity, passed along from stoner to stoner as a completely underground "grassroots" phenomenon.
1990 - A mysterious flyer promoting 420 circulates at Grateful Dead shows, especially in Northern California. A copy of the flyer finds its way from a show in Oakland to HIGH TIMES' offices in New York. San Rafael was the home of Grateful Dead Productions, supporting a link back to the original Waldos, who are not mentioned in the flyer.
1991 - HIGH TIMES publishes the text of the mysterious flyer, which claims that 420 started in San Rafael, CA, "as a police code for marijuana smoking in progress." It also promotes "the grandmaster of all holidays: 4/20, or April 20th."
1994 - Clocks in Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction are set at 4:20.
1995 - The Cannabis Action Network stages its first annual 4/20 Ball in San Francisco at Maritime Hall. The event begins and ends at 4:20.
1997 - HIGH TIMES launches 420.com, taking 420 into the digital world.
1998 - HIGH TIMES debunks the "marijuana smoking in progress" theory and declares the Waldos the true originators of 420 after the group produces letters and posters to prove this claim.
1999 - Columbine: The worst thing to happen on 4/20 since Hitler was born 90 years earlier.
2002 - The original Waldos reunite at the HIGH TIMES Doobie Awards in New York City to present a lifetime achievement award to their favorite band, the New Riders of the Purple Sage, who reunite for one night only and perform their classic marijuana anthem "Panama Red."
2003 - Carmen Electra marries Jane's Addiction guitarist Dave Navarro.
2004 - Clocks in Sophia Coppola's Lost in Translation are set at 4:20. Coppola and Tarantino become an item.
2005 - HIGH TIMES suggests moving 4:20 to 5:20: "When you're working a 9-to-5 job, sometimes it's worth waiting the extra hour."
PRESENT - You finished reading this 420 timeline.
YOU FAIL TOTO!!! 💃 YIP! YIP!
Originally posted by Schecter
referenced by wiki:http://www.hightimes.com/ht/lounge/index.php?page=420
YOU FAIL TOTO!!! 💃 YIP! YIP!
ROFLMAO!
You proved my point.
Hahaha.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Omfg, I cannot stop laughing. You should leave now.
Here:
1973-1989 - 420 languishes in obscurity, passed along from stoner to stoner as a completely underground "grassroots"phenomenon.
Originally posted by Schecter
you're what they would have called a "tweaker":edit: here's a bit of info. i was going to weekend new york state campouts, phish shows, music festivals etc and nodody said shit about 420 until the early 90's (like 93-94).thats when it started to become mainstream. during this time you were about 9 years old likely. now stfu
toto, its nap time
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm pretty sure he said it became mainstream in the 90s.You just proved it didn't become mainstream until the early 90s.
Maybe a little rethink?
-AC
Rofl:
Originally posted by Schecter
well, it could have existed since frikin woodstock among a small group of hippies. who gives a shit though? nobody knew shit about 420 (stoners included) until the early 90's.
Originally posted by Schecter
it started in the early 90's, thats all i know
When I stumped him there, he began to go into throttle with the whole mainstream crap. If you read what I posted, you'd see I was arguing that 420 BEGAN before the nineties. He was arguing different before he ... Lost.
His statement from Hightimes also states people knew about it before the nineties.
Yeah, just a bit of rethink, methinks.
Originally posted by Schecter
[B]you intentionally switched the order of those quotes. thats pathetic. anyways toto, this:
Don't be a moron. It doesn't matter which order those quotes are in. I stumped you regarding both. You retreated, then changed your stance to try to win.
it started in the early 90's, thats all i know
Again? How many times must I show you that it DID NOT start in the early nineties? It started in the early seventies.
was the first thing i said in this thread regarding 420. but you know that dont you, you little fluffy man?
That's my point. It is the first thing you said.
Damn, you're retarded.
was the first thing i said in this thread regarding 420.
my later words corrected it by implication. but you know
that dont you, you little fluffy man?
Read above. I caught you before the edit.
Walk away, pal.
insecure manipulative tool:
Originally posted by Schecter
it started in the early 90's, thats all i know
Originally posted by Sorgo X
No, it isn't all you know. Some of these past times, degrees and such happened years before the 90's.
Originally posted by Schecter
well, it could have existed since frikin woodstock among a small group of hippies. who gives a shit though? nobody knew shit about 420 (stoners included) until the early 90's.
that was where it was implied that i didnt know when it was a genuine code, which is why i never heard it till the 90's, get it? what, you wanted an apology? a public declaration of correction like the new york times?
Originally posted by Sorgo X
More bullshit. People *DID* know about 4/20 before the nineties.
*parroted wiki source*
Originally posted by Schecter
yeah, ok. you're still wrong.i already stated that it likely existed in a small group of people for however long before it went mainstream. woodstock being a hypothetical reference which was strongly implied.
in CORRECT order
go listen to linkin park.
Sorgo, maybe you're intentionally missing the point, or maybe you're just stupid...oh wait...that's both, but anyway;
So you throwing yourself around, pointing out that he was "wrong" solves nothing, because in fact, he wasn't even "wrong", he was implicitly referring to when the MAINSTREAM started, not the whole movement, as his later implied clarification confirms.
His original statement just wasn't clear, and you didn't think to ask what it meant.
-AC