I disagree that Kas'im has more saber knowledge than Yoda. Kas'im knew all of the main seven forms, but I believe that Yoda did as well and he was also mentioned to know some forms beyond the standard seven, I believe.
Exar, who is also one of the greatest swordmasters ever, was stalemated by Ulic. To say that Kas'im wins because of the evidence that has thus far been provided is premature.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I disagree that Kas'im has more saber knowledge than Yoda. Kas'im knew all of the main seven forms, but I believe that Yoda did as well and he was also mentioned to know some forms beyond the standard seven, I believe.Exar, who is also one of the greatest swordmasters ever, was stalemated by Ulic. To say that Kas'im wins because of the evidence that has thus far been provided is premature.
I would say Kas'im could beat Exar Kun as well. Kas'im knew all that Yoda did, as well as Jar'Kai so his knowledge exceeded that of Yoda. He would most definitely defeat Ulic. And Ulic stalemated Kun before Kun created his double blade.
Yeah, I made this thread because these two guys are about as even as it gets.
Saberwise, Kas'im's mastery is pretty much higher than anybody else in the entire SW mythos (and much higher than Ulic's given what we know), given he mastered every form to the highest degree for the saber staff, single saber and dual sabers, and even furthered some of the forms. However, Ulic's natural grasp of the saber is likely second to none, given after being cut off from the force, and 9 years out of practise, he was able to hold of an enraged and highly skillful Jedi Master, while holding back.
Forcewise, Kas'im defended against Bane's kamehameha wave, and given that the darkside generally excels when used offensively, it can be assumed that Kas'im's offensive use of the force at this point is even greater than what he defended against. However, after gaining a sith amulet, Ulic was said to literally be rippling in darkside energy, and has displayed some pretty awesome power, such as knocking both Cay and Nomi back about 50 feet purely by shouting.
This is honestly as even as it gets, I really can't decide on who would win this, too bad not too many people know who Kas'im is.
This is actually a very close match. I'd put Kas'im as slightly above Ulic with a blade (moves so fast he's a blur, best swordsman of his era, maybe of any era, has mastered all 7 forms, practices many hours a day). Not certain who would win with the Force, though (I can't really rememebr either of them doing anything with the Force except Ulic resisting Nadd's mind attacks and Kas'im blocking Bane's Force Attack). For size they've got to be pretty close. So I'm not sure, since I gues their tied in size and Force skills but Kas'im wins in a saber duel I guess he wins then. But I'm far from certain.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Again, I fail to see how it's close. You're basing Ulic's superiority on his fight with Kun, who at the time wasn't yet at his peak, while Kas'im knew all 7 forms of saber combat including Jar'Kai style, and perfected them. It's not going to be as close as you think.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Just because one has mastered all the saber forms doesn't mean that they can beat anyone who ahs only mastered one saber form. And yeah, Kun wasn't at his peak, but neither was Ulic, was he? And although Kun wasn't at his peak he was still damn strong, definitely strong enough to not be "wasted" by Kas'im. I think you're underestimating Ulic here.
Ulic was at his peak DS. I don't think Kas'im would completely waste him but I don't think he'll have that much difficulty with him. What you're saying is basically saying because Yoda mastered all the saber forms, it doesn't mean he can beat anyone who has mastered one form. While that holds true, he most definitely has an advantage over anybody he fights.
Ulic was at his peak DS.
I don't think Kas'im would completely waste him
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
In a saber battle he would waste Ulic.
but I don't think he'll have that much difficulty with him.
What you're saying is basically saying because Yoda mastered all the saber forms, it doesn't mean he can beat anyone who has mastered one form. While that holds true, he most definitely has an advantage over anybody he fights.
Originally posted by darthsith19
This begs for proof.
Despite pwning Mandalore, stalemating Exar Kun, beating Ommin quite easily and Warb Null in a single move? No, kas;im would win but it'd be far from wastage, or even a little difficulty. It will be close.
Yes, but Kas;im will only be using one form at a time, same as Ulic, and if they have both mastered their one form to the same degree then the only advantage that Kas'im will have is that he knows the form that Ulic is using as well. Which is an advantage but not enough to beat Ulic without "that much difficulty", let alone enough to waste him. [/B]
What do you mean he'll use one form at a time, notice how Sidious used more than 1 form against Mace in the same fight.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Despite pwning Mandalore, beating Ommin quite easily
Originally posted by Advent
All he did again King Ommin was resist his dark side energies (not lightsaber related at all), and cut his metal exoskeleton, of which he needs, otherwise he 'collapses like an Arkanian jellyfish', which he did.This is lightsaber related how?
Now, against Mandalore, he wasn't exactly dominating the entire duel either:
He did win, but he certainly didn't kick his ass.
It's rather idiotic to use feats from a person who doesn't include all the details. So, just stop while you're behind.
When did he use his saber during TSW exactly? He had armies at his disposal so there was no real reason for him to practice.
He destroyed Ommin's skeleton thingy, I don't see how that's relevant to his saber abilities. I'll give him Warb Nulla lthough I don't know much about his abilities. Kas'im however was unmatched and his various knowledge exceeds anything Ulic knows.
What do you mean he'll use one form at a time, notice how Sidious used more than 1 form against Mace in the same fight.
All he did again King Ommin was resist his dark side energies (not lightsaber related at all), and cut his metal exoskeleton, of which he needs, otherwise he 'collapses like an Arkanian jellyfish', which he did.This is lightsaber related how?
Now, against Mandalore, he wasn't exactly dominating the entire duel either:
He did win, but he certainly didn't kick his ass.
There is shows that Mandalore has twisted the rules to throw the balance of the fight to himself, yet...
Ulic destroys Mandalore's Mount in a second, even though he is on unsolid ground. We see Mandalore hanging from a chain, completely vulnerable to any attack that Ulic throws at him, yet Ulic chooses not to kill Mandalore, for he wishes to have Manaalore as the leader of his forces.
Here he proves himself capable of matching Mandalore without even using any weapons...
He then takes a mount, grabs an unfamiliar weapon, and attacks Mandalore again - this time defeating him in a single move.
Now, would you mind explaining to me which part of that isn't ownage?
Originally posted by darthsith19
Now, would you mind explaining to me which part of that isn't ownage?
Originally posted by Advent
The part where Ulic gets his head smashed in, and then falls off a cliff, dumbsith.
Really, it's so annoying when you post an entire battle's worth of scans, and yet it still doesn't prove your point. They exchange blows, at one point Qel-Droma is on the ground, the next, Mandalore is. 'Ownage' would be like what Darth Sidious did to Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto, and Agen Kolar. 'Ownage' would be like what Obi-Wan started to do to General Grievous. 'Ownage' was Exar Kun kicking Vodo Siosk-Baas' ass.
I didn't notice any of those combatants getting a hit in on their opposition, yet Mandalore did. Not only that, but it says "while Ulic's grasp of the Force is great...Mandalore's skill in battle may be greater!", this would not be so if Qel-Droma was able to virtually kick his ass without problems; so, obviously you're wrong (aside from the fact on panel evidence shows Mandalore putting Ulic on the defensive, and getting the better of him during their initial confrontation with Mandalorian weaponry).
Try again.
We see Mandalore hanging from a chain, completely vulnerable to any attack that Ulic throws at him, yet Ulic chooses not to kill Mandalore.
Bullshit much?
Ulic isn't Superman, he cannot fly, and he's clearly in the air as well. Did you notice the narration, which says "the outcome [of the battle] -- like the combatants -- hangs in the air"? Yes, this is indicative that Qel-Droma could've killed him. </sarcasm>
It would certainly be nice if you could learn how to comprehend the materials of which you brought into play.
this time defeating him in a single move.
And you'll take note that he did the same exact thing that Mandalore did to him (which he did in a single move [by the way, stop italicizing your points, it makes you look stupid considering your level of debating]). Again, how is that 'ownage'? You need to check your definitions, as your wording is incorrect.
The part where Ulic gets his head smashed in, and then falls off a cliff, dumbsith.
They exchange blows, at one point Qel-Droma is on the ground, the next, Mandalore is.
I didn't notice any of those combatants getting a hit in on their opposition, yet Mandalore did. Not only that, but it says "while Ulic's grasp of the Force is great...Mandalore's skill in battle may be greater!", this would not be so if Qel-Droma was able to virtually kick his ass without problems; so, obviously you're wrong (aside from the fact on panel evidence shows Mandalore putting Ulic on the defensive, and getting the better of him during their initial confrontation with Mandalorian weaponry).
Ulic isn't Superman, he cannot fly, and he's clearly in the air as well. Did you notice the narration, which says "the outcome [of the battle] -- like the combatants -- hangs in the air"? Yes, this is indicative that Qel-Droma could've killed him. </sarcasm>
And you'll take note that he did the same exact thing that Mandalore did to him (which he did in a single move [by the way, stop italicizing your points, it makes you look stupid considering your level of debating]).
Nice try.
