ROTS Yoda Vs Darth Bane

Originally posted by ESB -1138
He refuses to realize that Palpatine is the best there ever was.

Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky.

Originally posted by Riverollv
for god's sake, he put Malak above Revan! That's kinda INSANE

I Put Darth Malak above Darth Revan. IIRC, Revan as a sith lord wasn't being powered up by an entire race of force users now, was he?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about [b]DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky. [/B]

Ahhh the denial begins again. Everytime you bring up the fact that Sidious is NOT the strongest force user ever, you embarass yourself more and more, and your arguments get defeated as usual. It is absolute common sense that because Sidious and Yoda are equals, Yoda is superior to Bane, fanboy. The transitive property works perfectly here, and nobody cares if you believe it or not. Nobody's ever failed to refute anything you've said Noobaris, stop lying to yourself.

Right, if you actually read stuff with your eyes open, you'd see I was referring to stuff being said about DE Sidious, who is leagues beyond his RotS self (which in the incarnation that Yoda is actually on par with), so no, the transitive property doesn't work in this case.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
I Put [b]Darth Malak above Darth Revan. IIRC, Revan as a sith lord wasn't being powered up by an entire race of force users now, was he? [/B]

And yet Revan WTFpwned Malak in a one on one battle TWICE!! Once Malak was being powered up and Revan still pwned his @$$.

Yeah, and that version of Revan was far more powerful than he had been as a Dark Lord, according to Malak. You do realise that I'm comparing the two of them by their sith incarnations, right? And there was no WTFpwnage, many sources actually indicate that the fight was somewhat close, and left Revan severely wounded.

Apollo, there is too much evidence towards Sidious being the most powerful Sith Lord to deny it and expect to win any arguments, even Sidious before DE.
Bane is very good, and would give any non-Luke or DE Sidious a good run for their money. Being worse than Yoda isn't a bad thing.

About the Revan/ Malak thing: I politely disagree with you. I understand what you're saying, and it's not impossible or unfathomable in anyway that a Starforged powered Malak could give Darth Revan a good fight and possibly even win, especially seeing as how the Revan that later beat him was more powerful, and that was a close fight. However, I still think Revan would win, seeing as how he is exponentially smarter and taught Malak some of what he knows.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Ok, calm down big guy, it wasn't that funny. Anyways, I really don't see what's so wrong with that, it works much better than that quote translating into personal power and combat prowess (like you tried to do). Anyways, I'd assume by LC's "us continuity people don't deal in absolutes" comment that it applies to essential guides, and all types of reference material, as well as sourcebooks.

I'm not making fun of you, Nebaris (I've long since abandoned such behavior). I'm simply saying that attempting to subvert the quote and make it apply to "willingness", "dedication", and so forth is simply baseless and without cause, since the quote itself has nothing to do with it. Palpatine is called "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" by AotC, and this was before any of his political achievements (which you argued). This obviously is testimony to his strength in the dark side - the "one the Sith have waited a millenium for", "the most powerful of Bane's lineage", "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" - and so forth. His power, so intense, that it utterly ravaged his body and was killing him.

My way makes much more sense than yours.

Alright, in a saber battle Bane gets slaughtered. A Force battle would be a little closer but Yoda is the clear winner anyways. Saying anything else is just pure lunacy.

Yeah, despite you not backing up any of that.

It comes pre-backed-up.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and that version of Revan was far more powerful than he had been as a Dark Lord, according to Malak. You do realise that I'm comparing the two of them by their sith incarnations, right? And there was no WTFpwnage, many sources actually indicate that the fight was somewhat close, and left Revan severely wounded.

Eventually Revan would've become a far more powerful Sith Lord than Malak. Maybe there was no WTFpwnage, I acually think the fight must've been pretty close, but I wish to know which sources are you talking about, because in case you don't remember, in Duron Qel-Droma's visions you can see Revan with a blue blade standing intimidatingly behind the dead Malak, and there are no signs of wounds or injuries.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, despite you not backing up any of that.

Oh of course, everyone isn't backing up anything except you, who can't make a logical argument.

Originally posted by Riverollv
Eventually Revan would've become a far more powerful Sith Lord than Malak. Maybe there was no WTFpwnage, I acually think the fight must've been pretty close, but I wish to know which sources are you talking about, because in case you don't remember, in Duron Qel-Droma's visions you can see Revan with a blue blade standing intimidatingly behind the dead Malak, and there are no signs of wounds or injuries.

That was merely a vision of what eventually transpired. It doesn't indicate what happened specifically in the battle.

Sexy has a rational argument for Darth Malak being more powerful than Darth Revan, seeing as Revan - even while becoming more powerful - had the fight of his life against Star Forge powered Malak.

More accurately, Star Forge powered Malak is more powerful than Darth Revan.

Originally posted by Allankles
That was merely a vision of what eventually transpired. It doesn't indicate what happened specifically in the battle.

Sexy has a rational argument for Darth Malak being more powerful than Darth Revan, seeing as Revan - even while becoming more powerful - had the fight of his life against Star Forge powered Malak.

More accurately, Star Forge powered Malak is more powerful than [B]Darth Revan. [/B]

Well, some visions are extremely accurate, maybe this one was, though we cannot know that. And yes, probaly you're right, but we cannot prove if DARTH Revan at his MAX is more powerful or less than Malak, because we never actually saw Darth Revan at his max.

What did I miss something who is Bane? I've seen all the Star Wars movies and I don't remember hearing that name at all.

(Yoda would win!)

Originally posted by DOYLEZOMBIE
What did I miss something who is Bane? I've seen all the Star Wars movies and I don't remember hearing that name at all.

(Yoda would win!)

Bane has not been directly addressed in the movies; he was a powerful Sith Lord who initiated "the Rule of Two", which was the edict that only two Sith Lords could exist - a master and an apprentice.

Marka Ragnos wins.

Exar Kun is a match for DN Luke.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior by a large margin.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Marka Ragnos wins.

Exar Kun is a match for DN Luke.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior by a large margin.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior...?

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm.