Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about [b]DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky. [/B]
Unfortunatelly all quotes are refering to Sidious as he was during the PT.
Unfortunatelly for you, Bane's so called "feats" pale in comparison to thinks Yoda has done. Really...best thing we saw Bane doing was bringing a temple down with some nice violent use of force powers. Yoda did bring the top of a mountain down and LIFTED the remains of a temple. Let me see...I guess Yoda's actions do actually require more force power.
So I guess Yoda would actually win a force duel.
And Lightsaber combat ? Erm. Yoda can dodge three Jedi Masters with blades attacking him while being unarmed. He moves fast enough to redirect and deflect more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds. He has knowledge of exoctic lightsaber forms Bane hasn't even heared the names of (such as Trakata). Bane would get sliced into funny little pieces before even knowing what did actually hit him.
Oh...you might come up with that nice Orbalisk Armor again.
Beast Trick > Orbalisks. Lightsaber through the head (which was the actual thought of how Yoda should have forced Dooku to retreat in AotC) > Orbalisks. Yay. Bane's dead.
Unfortunatelly all quotes are refering to Sidious as he was during the PT.
The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:
Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:
"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."
Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."
Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."
Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."
Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:
Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.
His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.
That was what I was referring to when I said that. None of those quotes are in reference to PT Sidious. Learn 2 read.
Unfortunatelly for you, Bane's so called "feats" pale in comparison to thinks Yoda has done. Really...best thing we saw Bane doing was bringing a temple down with some nice violent use of force powers.
No it's not. Moving a moon, conjuring up storms of force lightning after an hour of having learnt how to summon lightning period, and controlling + directing the combined power of 25 sith lords that was strong enough to destroy an entire world are his greatest force feats.
Yoda did bring the top of a mountain down and LIFTED the remains of a temple. Let me see...I guess Yoda's actions do actually require more force power.
Yeah, right, more like Bane moving an entire moon is a gazillion times greater a feat. Not to mention the fact that the feat completely contradicts the movie's portrayal of Yoda when he struggled with lifting something much much lighter than an entire temple. And the feat that you mentioned is still more impressive anyways; it was at the end of an extremely tiring duel, Bane didn't even focus properly, and was still able to bring the entire 20 story temple down in seconds.
So I guess Yoda would actually win a force duel.
Sure thing. More like Bane destroys Yoda on the spot with a storm of force lightning, seeing as Yoda has no valid defence against it.
And Lightsaber combat ? Erm. Yoda can dodge three Jedi Masters with blades attacking him while being unarmed.
Yeah, except you forgot to mention that it was a mere demonstration that had been orchestrated before in order to show the padawans that force strength and mastery >>>> combat prowess and technique. To argue that Yoda would have been able to do the same in a real battle situation is completely ridiculous, especially considering how much he struggled with dodging those senate pods in RotS which really weren't moving at too great a speed.
He moves fast enough to redirect and deflect more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds.
Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.
He has knowledge of exoctic lightsaber forms Bane hasn't even heared the names of (such as Trakata).
Wow, I completely forgot, Yoda can duel with his lightsaber unignited, what a god, you've totally changed my mind Barbyman, Bane is screwed.
Bane would get sliced into funny little pieces before even knowing what did actually hit him.
Despite the fact that Bane's faster, possesses greater reflexes, and has greater precognition abilities?
Oh...you might come up with that nice Orbalisk Armor again.
Beast Trick > Orbalisks.
Please explain what the hell you're talking about.
Lightsaber through the head (which was the actual thought of how Yoda should have forced Dooku to retreat in AotC) > Orbalisks. Yay. Bane's dead.
Yeah, first you'd have to prove that Yoda was leagues above Bane in combat that he'd be able to exploit Bane's only weakness. Good luck buddy. 👆
Noobaris, you just keep embarassing yourself further and further. You are a POOR debater and you lose EVERY debate by constantly arguing against canon sources and logic. Sidious=Yoda. PT Sidious>Bane, therefore Yoda>Bane. Get over it or continue the self pwnage, which is why you're known as Noobaris.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
No it's not. Moving a moon, conjuring up storms of force lightning after an hour of having learnt how to summon lightning period, and controlling + directing the combined power of 25 sith lords that was strong enough to destroy an entire world are his greatest force feats.
Get it into your head. Bane did never move that moon. Got it now ? He thinks he can do it and that's were the story ends - no proof he had to do it. No proof he did it. So stop coming up with that rediculous claim. And how the hell is directing the power of other people a great force feat. Dorskk-81 was capable of doing so - tossing a fleet out of a starsystem. Must be powerful that dude. Urm. No.
Yeah, right, more like Bane moving an entire moon is a gazillion times greater a feat. Not to mention the fact that the feat completely contradicts the movie's portrayal of Yoda when he struggled with lifting something much much lighter than an entire temple. And the feat that you mentioned is still more impressive anyways; it was at the end of an extremely tiring duel, Bane didn't even focus properly, and was still able to bring the entire 20 story temple down in seconds.
Please spare me your personal interpretation of movie scenes and your "Bane mooved DA MOONSOR" bullshit. And you noticed how Yoda brought the top of the mountain down while fighting a nice number of droids and lifted the temple up some seconds after ending that fight (by bringing the top of the mountain down). Whoopie.
Sure thing. More like Bane destroys Yoda on the spot with a storm of force lightning, seeing as Yoda has no valid defence against it.
Oh. You mean Yoda who has been noted to possess a defence against every Dark Side power there is. WTF ? Bane's freaking force storm is nothing more than a variation of force lightning. Yoda can absorb and redirect force energy. So force storm my ass.
Yeah, except you forgot to mention that it was a mere demonstration that had been orchestrated before in order to show the padawans that force strength and mastery >>>> combat prowess and technique. To argue that Yoda would have been able to do the same in a real battle situation is completely ridiculous, especially considering how much he struggled with dodging those senate pods in RotS which really weren't moving at too great a speed.
LMFAO.
First Yoda did already show that he can perform that in combat. Duel with Dooku, duel with Sidious - he mainly dodges there attacks. And where did you see Yoda having "problems" with dodging the Senate pods ? I mean, aside from the rediculous comparison of a lightsaber blade to a freaking Senate pod being thrown at you, he still managed to dodge them, didn't he ?
Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.
Oh my god. Bane becomes so powerful in BotS which actually happens directly after PoD. Yay. He becomes godlike. Really. And again this bloody "but they are soooo lame in the movies" bullshit. Get it out of your completely deranged brain, retard. Movie speed is basically slow motion enabling you to see anything of a fight. Or as Leland Chee put it: "Movie speed doesn't contradict EU speed". And there still is this scene were Yoda deflects more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds. There you go...again. Stop boring me with your utter lack of intelligence.
Wow, I completely forgot, Yoda can duel with his lightsaber unignited, what a god, you've totally changed my mind Barbyman, Bane is screwed.
Wow, I completely forgot to mention that Yoda mastered all forms of saber combat (like Kas'im) also all exoctic ones (more than Kas'im) and owned one of the greatest lightsaber duellist (Dooku) that the order ever produced in 30 seconds while levitating some being around (Dark Rendevouz). Hmm. Yeah. Bane is screwed.
Despite the fact that Bane's faster, possesses greater reflexes, and has greater precognition abilities?
Laughable. Unless you show me Bane deflecting 40 blaster bolts in under 3 seconds just to proceed and own 8 people in another 3 seconds I'd say Yoda is much faster, has far better reflexes and by far greater precognition. Of course you can again attempt to argue against things shown in ROTS. Arguing against canon with total inability to apply reasoning seems to be your personal obsession.
Please explain what the hell you're talking about.
Beast Trick = control animals. Orbalisks = animals. Use beast trick on them and command them to leave Bane's body. Bye bye armor.
Yeah, first you'd have to prove that Yoda was leagues above Bane in combat that he'd be able to exploit Bane's only weakness. Good luck buddy.
He's leagues above Dooku in combat who, again, was one of the most skilled duellist the order ever produced due to his obsession with lightsaber combat that is on one level with that of Kas'im. There you have some nice point to start from if you like to compare Bane to Yoda when it comes to combat. Have a nice day, idiot.
Get it into your head. Bane did never move that moon. Got it now ? He thinks he can do it and that's were the story ends - no proof he had to do it. No proof he did it. So stop coming up with that rediculous claim.
Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.
And how the hell is directing the power of other people a great force feat.
It's not if you act like a moron and ignore the sheer degree of power he had to control and direct. It speaks highly for his force control and force mastery. And given that the orbalisks give him a constant supply of force energy, and given he has the control and mastery to control huge sums of power, it's likely he could replicate the feat by himself if given the time to charge up energy.
Dorskk-81 was capable of doing so - tossing a fleet out of a starsystem. Must be powerful that dude. Urm. No.
Again, refer to the above. The power to toss a fleet out of a star system pales in comparison to destroying an entire world, and everything and anything in its path.
Please spare me your personal interpretation of movie scenes
It's the interpretation held by anyone who can view things objectively. Yoda's entire body shaked, his hands trembled, his face was as strained as it could be, and he was only just able to pull of the feat, and he was panting afterwards as well. He struggled dude, get over it.
and your "Bane mooved DA MOONSOR" bullshit.
Yeah, you're not good at doing that, leave it to the pros like Advent.
And you noticed how Yoda brought the top of the mountain down while fighting a nice number of droids and lifted the temple up some seconds after ending that fight (by bringing the top of the mountain down). Whoopie.
OK calm down with your orgasms there you weirdo 😂 , it's still inconsistent with his movie portrayal and it still doesn't compare to orbalisk man.
Oh. You mean Yoda who has been noted to possess a defence against every Dark Side power there is.
Well Lightsnake actually came up with that quote, and he said it was under Yoda's section in the Power of the Jedi sourcebook, which turned out to be a lie, but disregarding the fact that the quote doesn't even exist, it still doesn't change anything. Yoda possesses defences against the technique itself (force lightning), sure, but the sheer magnitude of the power encompasses far too big an area for either his lightsaber or his hands to contain, so he simply can't defend against it.
WTF ? Bane's freaking force storm is nothing more than a variation of force lightning. Yoda can absorb and redirect force energy. So force storm my ass.
But a variation that encompasses an area too large for anything that Yoda can use to absorb or redirect it with. BTW, I said storm of force lightning, not force storm; open your eyes and learn to read.
LMFAO.
First Yoda did already show that he can perform that in combat. Duel with Dooku, duel with Sidious - he mainly dodges there attacks.
You do realise the unnecessary 'LMAO's in no way make your argument seem more convincing, right? I'd assume that's why you added it in, as I can't see why you'd honestly find all of this that hilarious, but if you do, I'd suggest calming down, and stop getting so hyper over an internet forum. Anyways, as to your point, how does that shit honestly compare? last time I checked, Dooku, and Sidious only equal 1 person, and last time I checked, Yoda doesn't dodge their attacls effortlessly like he does the Jedi Masters in the ShadowHunter flashback.
And where did you see Yoda having "problems" with dodging the Senate pods ? I mean, aside from the rediculous comparison of a lightsaber blade to a freaking Senate pod being thrown at you, he still managed to dodge them, didn't he ?
Given how close the pods were actually getting to Yoda, and given the fact that he was slipping all over the place, I'd estimate that he was having some sort of trouble with them.
Oh my god. Bane becomes so powerful in BotS which actually happens directly after PoD. Yay. He becomes godlike. Really.
It comes about 2 years after the point of PoD that I mentioned, moron, so what you just said is entirely irrelevant.
And again this bloody "but they are soooo lame in the movies" bullshit. Get it out of your completely deranged brain, retard. Movie speed is basically slow motion enabling you to see anything of a fight. Or as Leland Chee put it: "Movie speed doesn't contradict EU speed". And there still is this scene were Yoda deflects more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds. There you go...again. Stop boring me with your utter lack of intelligence.
Right, so it's me who lacks intelligence? Great timing to type that in the very same paragraph that displays a clear misunderstanding of how slowmotion works. When a scene is put into slowmotion, it's made obvious, by observing how quickly natural things are happening in the surroundings, and how consistent sound is with time. Everything flows perfectly throughout the movies, no sound and time inconsistencies, so as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
Wow, I completely forgot to mention that Yoda mastered all forms of saber combat (like Kas'im)
Except that kas'im did it for more than just a regular saber. he also did it for the saberstaff and dual sabers. Kas'im > Yoda.
also all exoctic ones (more than Kas'im)
Such as Trakata? LOL.
and owned one of the greatest lightsaber duellist (Dooku) that the order ever produced in 30 seconds while levitating some being around (Dark Rendevouz). Hmm. Yeah. Bane is screwed.
Nice job twisting what happened. He was only levitating the old woman when the duel first began. The only unfair advantage he gained was that Dooku was able to initiate the attack, that's all. Anyways, I'd easily rate Sirak above Dooku. He was so fast that he could move in blurs, he was quite the prodigy, given he could master some sequences in hours that took other students weeks to even learn, and he was a master of multiple forms. Yet Bane, as soon as he gave into the darkside, owned him in less than a second. [Nai]Yipee[/Nai]
Laughable. Unless you show me Bane deflecting 40 blaster bolts in under 3 seconds just to proceed and own 8 people in another 3 seconds I'd say Yoda is much faster, has far better reflexes and by far greater precognition. Of course you can again attempt to argue against things shown in ROTS. Arguing against canon with total inability to apply reasoning seems to be your personal obsession.
Nice how you ignored this: Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.
Beast Trick = control animals. Orbalisks = animals. Use beast trick on them and command them to leave Bane's body. Bye bye armor.
Yeah, by your logic, Bane can simply use the on/off buton on Yoda's saber to unignite it. Or pull his saber away from him with TK. Yeah, that logic would be correct if we ignore how PoD makes it clear that to affect your opponent's armour or weapons requires you breaking through their force defences first, so it's nowhere near as easy as you're making it out to be.
He's leagues above Dooku in combat who, again, was one of the most skilled duellist the order ever produced due to his obsession with lightsaber combat that is on one level with that of Kas'im. There you have some nice point to start from if you like to compare Bane to Yoda when it comes to combat. Have a nice day, idiot.
Hey Nai, I think you've been spending too much time with Lightsnake, the lameness has really been rubbing off on you. Now really, this point, like all your others, is completely flawed. Dooku is not on level with Kas'im, he never mastered every style, for all primary form of the saber, and he never subsequently perfected them, constantly keeping in practise with each form. Kas'im is second to nobody in terms of lightsaber mastery, so yet again, you're talking rubbish. And again, there's a much bigger gap between Bane and Sirak (who's arguably greater than Dooku) than there is between Yoda and Dooku.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.
It's not if you act like a moron and ignore the sheer degree of power he had to control and direct. It speaks highly for his force control and force mastery. And given that the orbalisks give him a constant supply of force energy, and given he has the control and mastery to control huge sums of power, it's likely he could replicate the feat by himself if given the time to charge up energy.
Again, refer to the above. The power to toss a fleet out of a star system pales in comparison to destroying an entire world, and everything and anything in its path.
It's the interpretation held by anyone who can view things objectively. Yoda's entire body shaked, his hands trembled, his face was as strained as it could be, and he was only just able to pull of the feat, and he was panting afterwards as well. He struggled dude, get over it.
Yeah, you're not good at doing that, leave it to the pros like Advent.
[quoteWell Lightsnake actually came up with that quote, and he said it was under Yoda's section in the Power of the Jedi sourcebook, which turned out to be a lie, but disregarding the fact that the quote doesn't even exist, it still doesn't change anything. Yoda possesses defences against the technique itself (force lightning), sure, but the sheer magnitude of the power encompasses far too big an area for either his lightsaber or his hands to contain, so he simply can't defend against it.[/quote]
Guess what, Sidous force lightning>>>Bane's. Try again.
You do realise the unnecessary 'LMAO's in no way make your argument seem more convincing, right? I'd assume that's why you added it in, as I can't see why you'd honestly find all of this that hilarious, but if you do, I'd suggest calming down, and stop getting so hyper over an internet forum. Anyways, as to your point, how does that shit honestly compare? last time I checked, Dooku, and Sidious only equal 1 person, and last time I checked, Yoda doesn't dodge their attacls effortlessly like he does the Jedi Masters in the ShadowHunter flashback.
Right, so it's me who lacks intelligence? Great timing to type that in the very same paragraph that displays a clear misunderstanding of how slowmotion works. When a scene is put into slowmotion, it's made obvious, by observing how quickly natural things are happening in the surroundings, and how consistent sound is with time. Everything flows perfectly throughout the movies, no sound and time inconsistencies, so as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
Except that kas'im did it for more than just a regular saber. he also did it for the saberstaff and dual sabers. Kas'im > Yoda.
Nice job twisting what happened. He was only levitating the old woman when the duel first began. The only unfair advantage he gained was that Dooku was able to initiate the attack, that's all. Anyways, I'd easily rate Sirak above Dooku. He was so fast that he could move in blurs, he was quite the prodigy, given he could master some sequences in hours that took other students weeks to even learn, and he was a master of multiple forms. Yet Bane, as soon as he gave into the darkside, owned him in less than a second. [Nai]Yipee[/Nai]
Nice how you ignored this: Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.
Yeah, by your logic, Bane can simply use the on/off buton on Yoda's saber to unignite it. Or pull his saber away from him with TK. Yeah, that logic would be correct if we ignore how PoD makes it clear that to affect your opponent's armour or weapons requires you breaking through their force defences first, so it's nowhere near as easy as you're making it out to be.
Hey Nai, I think you've been spending too much time with Lightsnake, the lameness has really been rubbing off on you. Now really, this point, like all your others, is completely flawed. Dooku is not on level with Kas'im, he never mastered every style, for all primary form of the saber, and he never subsequently perfected them, constantly keeping in practise with each form. Kas'im is second to nobody in terms of lightsaber mastery, so yet again, you're talking rubbish. And again, there's a much bigger gap between Bane and Sirak (who's arguably greater than Dooku) than there is between Yoda and Dooku. [/B]
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.
No. In his delusion he thinks he can play with stars like a child can play with balls. He thinks this. Neither is there any proof he needed to move the moon and neither is there proof that he really did it.
It's not if you act like a moron and ignore the sheer degree of power he had to control and direct. It speaks highly for his force control and force mastery. And given that the orbalisks give him a constant supply of force energy, and given he has the control and mastery to control huge sums of power, it's likely he could replicate the feat by himself if given the time to charge up energy.
Oh YEAH. Kun did withstand an attack of all Jedi in the Galaxy combined. Now show me what Bane did compareable. Oh wait. Nothing ? Yes. Thanks.
Again, refer to the above. The power to toss a fleet out of a star system pales in comparison to destroying an entire world, and everything and anything in its path.
With some small mistakes on your side:
a) It didn't destroy the entire world (as seen)
b) It didn't destroy anything in it's part (as seen)
c) The Sith that Thon fought on Ambria did do that on her own
Hmm. Not that impressive. Next please.
It's the interpretation held by anyone who can view things objectively. Yoda's entire body shaked, his hands trembled, his face was as strained as it could be, and he was only just able to pull of the feat, and he was panting afterwards as well. He struggled dude, get over it.
Dude. He makes some funny faces and moves his hands. Overinterpretation much ? After this he just sighs and walks off as if nothing had happened. And still his feats from the CW cartoons (approved by Lucas directly) remain there.
OK calm down with your orgasms there you weirdo 😂 , it's still inconsistent with his movie portrayal and it still doesn't compare to orbalisk man.
Lucas > you. Storyline > your oppinion. Understood ? Or shall I paint you a nicely colored picture which might fit the actual needs of children of your age (5 ? 6 ?) better...
Well Lightsnake actually came up with that quote, and he said it was under Yoda's section in the Power of the Jedi sourcebook, which turned out to be a lie, but disregarding the fact that the quote doesn't even exist, it still doesn't change anything. Yoda possesses defences against the technique itself (force lightning), sure, but the sheer magnitude of the power encompasses far too big an area for either his lightsaber or his hands to contain, so he simply can't defend against it.
Notice how he draws lightning to his hands. Area doesn't matter.
But a variation that encompasses an area too large for anything that Yoda can use to absorb or redirect it with. BTW, I said storm of force lightning, not force storm; open your eyes and learn to read.
Which is the same as force storm is the KotoR name for it and aside of that the Area Effect doesn't matter. Lightning is drawn to the hands. That's obvious since Sidious tooled a batallion of Stormtroopers with his.
You do realise the unnecessary 'LMAO's in no way make your argument seem more convincing, right? I'd assume that's why you added it in, as I can't see why you'd honestly find all of this that hilarious, but if you do, I'd suggest calming down, and stop getting so hyper over an internet forum.
Oh. I just felt the desperate need to express how funny your so called "arguments" are.
Anyways, as to your point, how does that shit honestly compare? last time I checked, Dooku, and Sidious only equal 1 person, and last time I checked, Yoda doesn't dodge their attacls effortlessly like he does the Jedi Masters in the ShadowHunter flashback.
Last time I checked Yoda is long gone everytime an attack is directed at him. So yes, he dodges them easily.
Given how close the pods were actually getting to Yoda, and given the fact that he was slipping all over the place, I'd estimate that he was having some sort of trouble with them.
Oh. He should have...erm...done what ? Jump 50 metres to clearly escape a pod ? What a waste of energy...
Right, so it's me who lacks intelligence? Great timing to type that in the very same paragraph that displays a clear misunderstanding of how slowmotion works. When a scene is put into slowmotion, it's made obvious, by observing how quickly natural things are happening in the surroundings, and how consistent sound is with time. Everything flows perfectly throughout the movies, no sound and time inconsistencies, so as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
Yes. You obviously lack intelligence displayed by your complete inabilty to use any form of abstractions. The movie is made that way because you can watch it. Now imagine the display of a duel were both opponents really move faster than the eye can see in the movie. Would you enjoy this ? No. The movies (from an continuity point of view) are still just interpretations of what happened that make the events understandable and perceiveable by the audience. People moving faster than the eye can see are...well...not perceiveable. Hence the don't appear that way in the movie.
So please. Stop making an assclown out of yourself by either accepting that the speed in the movie does have NO effect on the speed of the original characters (which was told you by Leland Chee and George Lucas personally) or STFU.
Except that kas'im did it for more than just a regular saber. he also did it for the saberstaff and dual sabers. Kas'im > Yoda.
Yay. Yoda does have no need to use a saberstaff or dual sabers going by his fastness.
Nice job twisting what happened. He was only levitating the old woman when the duel first began. The only unfair advantage he gained was that Dooku was able to initiate the attack, that's all. Anyways, I'd easily rate Sirak above Dooku. He was so fast that he could move in blurs, he was quite the prodigy, given he could master some sequences in hours that took other students weeks to even learn, and he was a master of multiple forms. Yet Bane, as soon as he gave into the darkside, owned him in less than a second. [Nai]Yipee[/Nai]
Oh wait. Sirak is above Dooku ? Oh yes. Yoda calls Dooku the most impressive student (force powers, lightsaber combat) he has ever seen in the last 900 years. Aside of that Dooku has been noted to have been one of the most powerful Jedi ever even before he gained his Sith knowledge. As stated above already (and I hope I don't have to hammer it into your head again) everybody is capable of moving in blurs. Now what puts Sirak above Dooku ? That he was worshipped by a bunch of total losers. Impressive. Oh wait...no...it isn't.
Nice how you ignored this: Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.
Nice how you ignored once again that you "I could see Yoda moving" argument is bullshit.
Yeah, by your logic, Bane can simply use the on/off buton on Yoda's saber to unignite it. Or pull his saber away from him with TK. Yeah, that logic would be correct if we ignore how PoD makes it clear that to affect your opponent's armour or weapons requires you breaking through their force defences first, so it's nowhere near as easy as you're making it out to be.
Yoda broke to the force defences of Sidious who, at RotS, is already more powerful than Bane. Again. Get it into your head.
Hey Nai, I think you've been spending too much time with Lightsnake, the lameness has really been rubbing off on you. Now really, this point, like all your others, is completely flawed. Dooku is not on level with Kas'im, he never mastered every style, for all primary form of the saber, and he never subsequently perfected them, constantly keeping in practise with each form.
Wow. That's exactly what Dooku did in his youth, idiot. His mane goal was to become the best swordsman ever. Hence he did study all styles and knew them inside out which is pretty apparent from the RotS novel when he recalls every style plus their weaknesses. Then he went on in studying Makashi - the ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat - and perfected that style over 7 decades of training. You were saying ?
Kas'im is second to nobody in terms of lightsaber mastery, so yet again, you're talking rubbish. And again, there's a much bigger gap between Bane and Sirak (who's arguably greater than Dooku) than there is between Yoda and Dooku.
Dooku would totally trash Sirak in a force battle or lightsaber fight. And as you obviously lack knowledge unless we don't talk about your beloved Bane, I don't see why I shall debate with you any longer.
Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this. 🙄
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge. 🙄
Seriously now, stop talking rubbish, and let's look at the facts.
Fact: Out of all the members on this forum, you are pretty much the most persistent one when it comes to debates. You'll carry on typing for dozens of thread pages, with entire essay length rebuttals each post, and the only time I ever see you give up is when you're losing (for example against Advent, in the 'Kun versus Anakin' thread).
Fact: You started both debates off, clearly gearing for a long and heated debate.
Fact: You were the one who started off with the cheap debating tactics (such as the making stuff up, and the insults; by the way, you seriously need to work on those, you kind of remind me of my lame ass 50 year old History teacher, seriously now...), clearly realising that you couldn't keep up using normal methods.
Fact: You are the one who's ended the debates.
Now all those facts listed above make it pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that you were getting owned, bad, in both threads, and that you knew it. But whatever, seeing as you've pretty much given up on this thread, and didn't even reply in the other, I see no reason for me to waste my time by owning you yet again, when I know that you won't reply.
If you're referring to the EoD threads, I've taken a look at them, and Zephiel was the only one to take your side, Nebaris. Asserting that "anyone with half a brain could see you were getting owned" simply isn't true, because if you want to "appeal to majority", Nai's got that in his pocket in this case. You saying that you owned Nai doesn't make it true.
As far as the insults are concerned, he's an Antedivulian. That's what they do. You get used to it, and learn from it.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this. 🙄
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge. 🙄Seriously now, stop talking rubbish, and let's look at the facts.
Fact: Out of all the members on this forum, you are pretty much the most persistent one when it comes to debates. You'll carry on typing for dozens of thread pages, with entire essay length rebuttals each post, and the only time I ever see you give up is when you're losing (for example against Advent, in the 'Kun versus Anakin' thread).
Fact: [b]You
started both debates off, clearly gearing for a long and heated debate.Fact: You were the one who started off with the cheap debating tactics (such as the making stuff up, and the insults; by the way, you seriously need to work on those, you kind of remind me of my lame ass 50 year old History teacher, seriously now...), clearly realising that you couldn't keep up using normal methods.
Fact: You are the one who's ended the debates.
Now all those facts listed above make it pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that you were getting owned, bad, in both threads, and that you knew it. But whatever, seeing as you've pretty much given up on this thread, and didn't even reply in the other, I see no reason for me to waste my time by owning you yet again, when I know that you won't reply. [/B]
Wow, denial is a *****. Wtfpwned again.
If you're referring to the EoD threads, I've taken a look at them, and Zephiel was the only one to take your side, Nebaris.
Well it's lucky that I'm not referring to the EoD threads then, isn't it? I'm referring to threads here at KMC.
Asserting that "anyone with half a brain could see you were getting owned" simply isn't true, because if you want to "appeal to majority", Nai's got that in his pocket in this case. You saying that you owned Nai doesn't make it true.
Yeah, ever since you rated Darth Sexy as one of the best debaters here, I've kind of not trusted your judgement, given how badly he blows.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Well it's lucky that I'm not referring to the EoD threads then, isn't it? I'm referring to threads here at KMC.Yeah, ever since you rated Darth Sexy as one of the best debaters here, I've kind of not trusted your judgement, given how badly he blows.
This coming from the absolute worst debater on this forum, I find it humorous. Keep up the laughs forum clown.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
This coming from the absolute worst debater on this forum, I find it humorous. Keep up the laughs forum clown.
I don't think it's fair to call him the "worst debater" here, seeing as there will always be this guy (as a general statement):
Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
JAR JAR FTW lol 😄
However, many of his views are twisted, and debating is impossible due to him not being able to acknowledge facts.
Just catching you on a technical, DS.
And, despite him being the "forum clown," I don't think he's all that funny.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this. 🙄
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge. 🙄
You owned yourself in two threads and that's all you "owned" there.
Fact: Out of all the members on this forum, you are pretty much the most persistent one when it comes to debates. You'll carry on typing for dozens of thread pages, with entire essay length rebuttals each post, and the only time I ever see you give up is when you're losing (for example against Advent, in the 'Kun versus Anakin' thread).
Hmm ? Did I miss something ? Normally I stop debates when my opponent agrees to disagree since everything comes down to a matter of interpretation. Happened multiple times in debates with Janus for example (about the PT Jedi in comparison to the TOTJ ones).
Fact: You started both debates off, clearly gearing for a long and heated debate.
And you simply refused to continue after getting owned. See ?
Fact: You were the one who started off with the cheap debating tactics (such as the making stuff up, and the insults; by the way, you seriously need to work on those, you kind of remind me of my lame ass 50 year old History teacher, seriously now...), clearly realising that you couldn't keep up using normal methods.
Normal methods are a complete waste of my time talking with people like you. Magaritas ante porcos. Perls to the pigs. I simply fart in your general direction as this is all you deserve from me. If you want normal methods from me, stop acting like a noob.
Fact: You are the one who's ended the debates.
If you consider "Making you appear like an assclown to such an extend that you realized that every further attempt to redicule yourself would be futile" is your definition of "ending a debate" then this obviously fits.
Now all those facts listed above make it pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that you were getting owned, bad, in both threads, and that you knew it.
Oh. That would be you and Zephiel ? Actually...if you want to pull some appeal to majority out of your ass (generally a stupid action but as such obviously fitting your character), you should have some "majority" on your side. Which wasn't the case.
But whatever, seeing as you've pretty much given up on this thread, and didn't even reply in the other, I see no reason for me to waste my time by owning you yet again, when I know that you won't reply.
Hey. As I told you before: If you are happy with that illusions of "owning" people in debate, which I've never seen you doing anywhere. Okay. Give me a call when you found your way back into the place commonly referred to as "reality". Until then: STFU, noob.
Well it's lucky that I'm not referring to the EoD threads then, isn't it? I'm referring to threads here at KMC.
...And just what are the threads on which you've apparently owned Nai Fohl?
Yeah, ever since you rated Darth Sexy as one of the best debaters here, I've kind of not trusted your judgement, given how badly he blows.
When have I said this? I recall stating Darth Sexy is "tenacious" and "relentless" which are admirable qualities in a debater, but I don't ever recall saying that he was one of the best here or the best ever, but I could be wrong.
In any case, this is pointless. Simply put: you dictating that you have owned Nai - and expecting us to simply take you at your word and adhere to this - would be like SW LeGenD proclaiming that he owned Advent in verbal sparring or debating. The fact is, simply because you think you've owned Nai, doesn't mean that it actually happened, and no one is going to treat it as such. In fact, the only way to test on whether or not someone is "owned" or not would be the appeal to majority [which, to the unobjective, can turn into a popularity contest], and make no mistake - the general public would likely agree with Nai, and given the feedback we've seen, they do.
But I'm not going to sit and lecture you on how "you're human" and "your opinion isn't an auto-fact", because I've done it before.