No more bad words for rap

Now a days bad words are an everyday thing and it is not just music that influences this. If you want to take it out music, you should take it out of other forms of entertainment too.

Normally when you buy a CD consisting of rap that has bad words in, it has a warning on the cover, so it is not like you don't have a choice.

But yeah, rap shouldn't be targeted, you can't just take it out of rap and not out of other types of music.

Originally posted by Cory Chaos
Curse words, again, aren't what's in question. It's the racism/misogyny angle.

He made his fortune on Hip Hop. Def Jam, first and foremost, has always been a Hip Hop label. When he left and sold his share in '99 is when things turned ugly in the genre. He was hardly involved in the everyday functions of the company, having focused more on his clothing line and the other "Def" branches, like poetry and stand up.

I'm not following on your Beastie Boys point, though. That was their only album with Def Jam, it was produced by Rick Rubin, and they toured on that ablum for like 3 years with RUN-DMC and LL Cool J. I don't remember ANY of those groups having objectionable material at the time.

Simmons was the Beasties manager and had no qualms in them wanting to release their first album with the title DONT BE A ****** before they backed down and changed it to LICENSE
and i guess you must have missed the massive inflatable penis and the dancing girls in cages as part of The Beasties set on that tour an all

While I had the cassette when it was released, I was only 8, so no concert for me. I read about it, however. Russell Simmons was hardly as business minded, much less mature as he and the Beastie Boys are now. Besides, political correctness, even in using a word out of context, wasn't even a thing back in the day.

Russel Simmons was on CNBC last night talking about this topic. About how he mainly wants to only take ban/censor the words "n*gg*r", "h**", and "b*tch" from rap music.

Well i say good luck wit that.

I can see why he'd wanna ban the first one, I think everyone can see why he'd want to, regardless of if they agree or not, but the others...I don't get it.

Hoe is used with different levels of seriousness. Some MCs actually feel women are hoes, then you get Redman saying it, and it's clearly meant in humour.

***** isn't necessarily used to degrade women, so in that case it's "I dislike this word, let's ban it.".

What's he trying to achieve?

-AC

From what I know about Hip Hop, foul words have always been a part of it. I feel that there is nothing wrong with this. Artists have a freedom of expression, and shouldn't be denied this by record companies. I would also see it as causing record companies to lose money. Who would want to listen to Hip Hop without foul words?, is the way I see it. (I'm talking about the mainstream crowd)

As far as I see it, it depends on how they're used.

If it's just casual, like saying any other word, whatever, but if you're specifically trying to swear, you might as well stop.

-AC

Well i think you should be able to say whatever you want especially in art.

And as I said earlier, if you don't want to listen to or read it then don't bother with it. Parents are the ones complaining the most and yet are the ones whom are most fault for letting their kids listen to it.

But don't ban certain curse words and inconvenience me cause some kid who aren't suppose to listen to it, can't listen to it responsibly.

There's obviously a lot you're not taking into consideration. Parents can't monitor what a kid listens to when they're away for starters. Secondly, How would omitting racist remarks be an "inconvenience" to you?

I don't get your responsibility angle either. The "artists" themselves aren't very responsible, considering blatant homophobia, racism, and misogyny aren't exactly "necessary" means of expression. Just ones used out of ignorance to sell an image or lifestyle.

We've all just been numb to it for too long. What Russell Simmons hopes to achieve, as posed earlier, is a sense of responsibility in the "Hip Hop" community, where there's never been a place for this kind of shit....which is why I hate that artists that incorporate it are apparently in the same league as Sugar Hill Gang and every other POSITIVE and RESPONSIBLE Hip Hop group or artist.

Originally posted by Cory Chaos
There's obviously a lot you're not taking into consideration. Parents can't monitor what a kid listens to when they're away for starters. Secondly, How would omitting racist remarks be an "inconvenience" to you?

I don't get your responsibility angle either. The "artists" themselves aren't very responsible, considering blatant homophobia, racism, and misogyny aren't exactly "necessary" means of expression. Just ones used out of ignorance to sell an image or lifestyle.

We've all just been numb to it for too long. What Russell Simmons hopes to achieve, as posed earlier, is a sense of responsibility in the "Hip Hop" community, where there's never been a place for this kind of shit....which is why I hate that artists that incorporate it are apparently in the same league as Sugar Hill Gang and every other POSITIVE and RESPONSIBLE Hip Hop group or artist.

Irresponsible parents can't monitor what a kid listens too. Responsible parents ca, you mean.

And omitting racist remarks? First of all art is the ultimate form of expression where people can say what ever they want, this isn't Iran. And when art, a message, or information is censored because someone who's not suppose to listen to it, listens to it and reacts irresponsibly, then why should i have to pay for that. Why should I be denyed my right "to know" cause others don't want to or care to, or don't know how "to know".

Any form of expression, especially heartfelt is a means of expression.

Don't ban curse words from Rap. And parents, (responsible and irresponsible) monitor what your kids see and listen too. It is perfectly doable, despite what anyone says.

I don't say he's RIGHT for trying to ban these words, I'm saying that surely we can at least see his rationale on words like "N*gger.".

-AC

Its funny that on the whole black music is the culprit from the use of derogatory names for women in rap and on the other side the anti gay lyrics of the dancehall scene.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Irresponsible parents can't monitor what a kid listens too. Responsible parents ca, you mean.

Nnnnno. I meant parents can't always monitor what their kids listen to, not that that is what's being discussed. Emulation is a whole different argument that has less to do with music, which you can regulate, than surroundings, which you can't.

And omitting racist remarks? First of all art is the ultimate form of expression where people can say what ever they want, this isn't Iran. And when art, a message, or information is censored because someone who's not suppose to listen to it, listens to it and reacts irresponsibly, then why should i have to pay for that. Why should I be denyed my right "to know" cause others don't want to or care to, or don't know how "to know".

Commercial rap music is as much art as finger-painting. It's not a form of expression, it's making a living. The reason the material should or WOULD be censored is because it's not done out of expression, like I said. They're demeaning phrases thrown around aimlessly and without feeling. To sell records, to maintain a rep. I hardly think it's how the majority of those artists that incorporate the term actually feel. It's out of ignorance, hardly "expression". You think The Game or whoever doesn't think "I just called 50 Cent a ******, yet we're one and the same in our rap personas", and contemplate the fact he may be a hypocrite? No. He does it for show.

Any form of expression, especially heartfelt is a means of expression.

See above, last sentence.

Don't ban curse words from Rap. And parents, (responsible and irresponsible) monitor what your kids see and listen too. It is perfectly doable, despite what anyone says.

Yes, parents. Take your kids out of school because it's the only way you're somewhat safe. Doable, and totally unfeasible.