Shaman vs Shaman X-Man

Originally posted by id369
You have mentioned Shamans best Telepathic feats. And I have stated Nates best TP feats.
And Nates is clearly superior to Shaman in this department.

I then took it upon myself to mention how a group of Telepaths are nothing when you have an overwhelming TP monster such as Nate.

This is of course “IF” Shaman is able to carryout out its plan.

With mind reading and precog along with TP/TK. Nate shuts him down on his tracks.

It takes a telepath of his level to overcome his TP attack. And it takes TK of his level to overcome his TK attack. Shaman has neither.

Hardly, Shaman communicated and helped Talisman unlock the secrets of the Ska'r. Shaman has means to stop telepathy with his skills and spells from shields or simply stopping Nate's with a handful of dust which he can do. I tell you many things that would easily stop Nate, but you simply ignore them.

Good for him, but he did not overwhelm them instantly, while Shaman has spells and powers that can WTFOWNZZZ! Nate in a split second.

What plan? he has so many ways to put Nate down, while Nate's bread and basket means little to Shaman.

Hardly Shaman can do the EXACT same thing.

Shaman's magic, magic trumps anything and that's a fact.
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"Shush", what does Nate have to counter that? Nothing.

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/scan0014.jpg

Here an exhausted Shaman who was teleporting hundreds of people away from the potential blast site for hours absorbs into his pouch Newfoundland, Alpha Flight, Avengers, People's Proctate.. oh and an atomic blast...oh and in seconds.

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_01_rougher.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_02_rougher.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_03_rougher.jpg
4. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_04_rougher.jpg
5. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_05_rougher.jpg
6. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_06_rougher.jpg

EDIT: Seriously if a being that threatened to destroy all reality and Elder Gods couldn't instantly defeat Shaman why the heck would Nate succeded when others vastly stronger than him have failed? Logic dictates Nate won't, while Shaman has attacks that can take him out in seconds. Nate has superior TP and TK, but Shaman is no sloutch and can easily hang with him, but he wouldn't even need to go that route with his various spells that could even leave Nate powerless

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hardly, Shaman communicated and helped Talisman unlock the secrets of the Ska'r.
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
. Shaman has means to stop telepathy with his skills and spells from shields or simply stopping Nate's with a handful of dust which he can do. I tell you many things that would easily stop Nate, but you simply ignore them.
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I didn’t ignore a single thing. I stated over and over, that Shaman would never get any attack of the ground when he is facing a superior TP/TK.

As for his dust, Nate telekinetically manipulates matter to a sub atomic level.
He simples stops the dust, and rushes it back to Shaman.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Good for him, but he did not overwhelm them instantly, while Shaman has spells and powers that can WTFOWNZZZ! Nate in a split second.

Actually he did.
The first time, he gave the group of telepaths the chance to tell the truth. Or else they would face death from Nate breaching his telepathic mind blocks.
They lied, Nate finds out. Telepathically locates the 12 members from over millions.. Telekinetically lifts them into the air across New York. And Psy incarnates them from head to toe.

As for the heavy hitting TK character. He dies, instantly, after Nates attack.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What plan? he has so many ways to put Nate down, while Nate's bread and basket means little to Shaman.

You are attempting to make a case and point out of Shamans ability to overcome TP/TK with TP/TK.

I have made a case and point how superior TP/TK overwhelms lesser TP/TK.
And followed up with a superior feat you have brought forth.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Shaman's magic, magic trumps anything and that's a fact.

Simply no. This logic is flawed.

[QUOTE=8817905]Originally posted by King_Mungi
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"Shush", what does Nate have to counter that? Nothing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Here an exhausted Shaman who was teleporting hundreds of people away from the potential blast site for hours absorbs into his pouch Newfoundland, Alpha Flight, Avengers, People's Proctate.. oh and an atomic blast...oh and in seconds.

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_01_rougher.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_02_rougher.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_03_rougher.jpg
4. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_04_rougher.jpg
5. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_05_rougher.jpg
6. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/avengers_v1_323_06_rougher.jpg

Nate was able to teleport himself and 3 others unconsciously to an alternate earth. While still protecting them within a TK field and filtering/processing molecules to make breathable air.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

EDIT: Seriously if a being that threatened to destroy all reality and Elder Gods couldn't instantly defeat Shaman why the heck would Nate succeded when others vastly stronger than him have failed?

The same Elders Gods that Nate defeated right?

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Logic dictates Nate won't, while Shaman has attacks that can take him out in seconds.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Nate has superior TP and TK, but Shaman is no sloutch and can easily hang with him,

No not really. Being overwhelmed is simply that. Unless you are a TP/TK of his level, there is no hanging on.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

but he wouldn't even need to go that route with his various spells that could even leave Nate powerless

Ok I see, so instead of putting up a TP/TK match against Nate.
He will instead attempt to place a spell or reach into his bag.

Thus leaving him open to a wide open TP/TK attack.

It comes down to who can get their action of the ground first. My money is on Nate.
No need to Say Sush. Speed of thought>>>Reaction time.

Nate's a mutant, right? I wonder what would happen to him if Shaman threw this spell his way...

Spell of Bionatural Equilibrium: A spell pulled from the pouch, which can be used to transform, mutated or manipulated human beings back into their normal states. Talisman used this spell from to revert The Master's Remnant Men to normal.

From the "Alphanex" link so graciously provided by Mungi...

EDIT: Not sure this spell would work on Nate, since he was born a mutant and not later altered, but it would be an interesting thing for Shaman to try...

Originally posted by id369
Good for him, this still does not prove he has higher level of Telepathy.

never said he was, but being a HIGH level telepath himself, Nate is not going to own him in a second.

Originally posted by id369

I didn’t ignore a single thing. I stated over and over, that Shaman would never get any attack of the ground when he is facing a superior TP/TK.

Actually you ignored 10 points and are you kidding me? It takes a second, Nate would not attack Shaman and put him down in a second. Anyone who has seen the scans I provided can clearly see this. You ARE ignoring facts, as I mentioned he has Clouding Dust that can leave telepathy users powerless, make you overall powerless with Spell of Bionatural Equilibrium, shields that protect physical and telepathy attacks.

Originally posted by id369

As for his dust, Nate telekinetically manipulates matter to a sub atomic level.
He simples stops the dust, and rushes it back to Shaman.

Nate's going to manipulate magic? uh huh. Now your grasping as even the Dust is from the Realm of Dreams. It's pure magic and Nate is not going to manipulate it and soon as when it hits the air it does it's job. Nate cannot stop that. Your credibility just plummeted. Unless you have proof he can manipulate a high level magical user.

Originally posted by id369

Actually he did.
The first time, he gave the group of telepaths the chance to tell the truth. Or else they would face death from Nate breaching his telepathic mind blocks.
They lied, Nate finds out. Telepathically locates the 12 members from over millions.. Telekinetically lifts them into the air across New York. And Psy incarnates them from head to toe.

s for the heavy hitting TK character. He dies, instantly, after Nates attack.

and? that's not impressive at all, as Shaman has spells that can do the EXACT same thing. He can locate users, teleport between dimensions, etc. etc. Are those telepaths of the same calibur as Shaman? no.

Ha! yet you have provided no evidence he could do that at all, while as I mentioned several times Shaman can do so much while Nate does nothing.

Originally posted by id369
You are attempting to make a case and point out of Shamans ability to overcome TP/TK with TP/TK.

I have made a case and point how superior TP/TK overwhelms lesser TP/TK.
And followed up with a superior feat you have brought forth.

No you havn't at all, you mentioned people who's telepathy wasn't very skilled, and you claimed he could own Shaman in a second, but he couldn't do it against those low level telepath's. While Shaman on the other hand has spells and powers that literally can take Nate out in a second. Your ignoring facts once again. You havn't provided any evidence to back up Nate instantly falling into a time-frezze, or instantly have his powers cancelled out, or oh god you simply are just ignore blant facts.

Originally posted by id369

Simply no. This logic is flawed.

Actually your logic is flawed, even Galactus doesn't understand Magic and Silver Surfer has shown low level of protection against magic. Magic can basically do anything out of the realm of reality.

Originally posted by id369
Nate was able to teleport himself and 3 others unconsciously to an alternate earth. While still protecting them within a TK field and filtering/processing molecules to make breathable air.

haha and? Shaman has teleported 7 people to the Realm of the Beasts, 5 people to the Land of the Dead, and when Madison Jeffries was drowning in the water he summoned the spirit of air saving Jeffries giving him breathable air. Basically you say feats, Shaman has done.

Originally posted by id369

The same Elders Gods that Nate defeated right?

No, and the Great Beasts jobbed, plus those were avatars anyways. X-MAN would have destroyed Canada with that little feat against Tundra and would have died himself if Madeylne didn't save him. Then later writer ignored the fact they can simply just teleport back. PIS fights do not count on this board.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-29.jpg

Originally posted by id369

And vice versa. Nate has shown to take down entire cities with a single thought.
Shaman, despite his arrange of spells and items at his deposal. Can not physically tank these kinds of attacks.

Province>city. Are you seriously implying a city is more than a province. Oh lord. Are you kidding me? He absorbed up a friggin atomic bomb, and with the Void threatened to absorb all of Earth and threaten the universe. Your ignoring facts once again.

If you think he physically can't take those kind of attacks, I suggest you read his fight with Carcass when he saved all reality.

Originally posted by id369

No not really. Being overwhelmed is simply that. Unless you are a TP/TK of his level, there is no hanging on.

Yet, those who were inferior to Nate have hung with him and gave him a serious fight and not once did Nate defeat a high level character like Shaman instantly. Unless you have proof, which you have provided none.

Originally posted by id369

Ok I see, so instead of putting up a TP/TK match against Nate.
He will instead attempt to place a spell or reach into his bag.

Thus leaving him open to a wide open TP/TK attack.

What? no. Without any spells he has defences against tp/tk and his sheilds also protect against telepathy. Shaman has so many defences against Nate he basically makes Nate useless.

Originally posted by id369

It comes down to who can get their action of the ground first. My money is on Nate.
No need to Say Sush. Speed of thought>>>Reaction time.

You would be wrong, as Shaman has enhanced reflexes due to magic

Yet, Nate has to think about attacking and doing it. Plus the fact Nate wouldn't even be owning Shaman in a second, while once again your ignoring Shaman can.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
haha and? Shaman has teleported 7 people to the Realm of the Beasts, 5 people to the Land of the Dead, and when Madison Jeffries was drowning in the water he summoned the spirit of air saving Jeffries giving him breathable air. Basically you say feats, Shaman has done.

No, and the Great Beasts jobbed, plus those were avatars anyways. X-MAN would have destroyed Canada with that little feat against Tundra and would have died himself if Madeylne didn't save him. Then later writer ignored the fact they can simply just teleport back. PIS fights do not count on this board.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-29.jpg

Province>city. Are you seriously implying a city is more than a province. Oh lord. Are you kidding me? He absorbed up a friggin atomic bomb, and with the Void threatened to absorb all of Earth and threaten the universe. Your ignoring facts once again.

If you think he physically can't take those kind of attacks, I suggest you read his fight with Carcass when he saved all reality.

Yet, those who were inferior to Nate have hung with him and gave him a serious fight and not once did Nate defeat a high level character like Shaman instantly. Unless you have proof, which you have provided none.

What? no. Without any spells he has defences against tp/tk and his sheilds also protect against telepathy. Shaman has so many defences against Nate he basically makes Nate useless.

You would be wrong, as Shaman has enhanced reflexes due to magic

Yet, Nate has to think about attacking and doing it. Plus the fact Nate wouldn't even be owning Shaman in a second, while once again your ignoring Shaman can.

I like Nate ftw

Originally posted by guy222
I like Nate ftw

Of course you do, but you admited in another Nate thread you ignore certain things since you like him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Of course you do, but you admited in another Nate thread you ignore certain things since you like him.

Did I really? Everyone knows, I don't go against the mutants. I know quite a bit about Shaman Nate. I know u know Shaman. Fair enough, if we disagree on this one

Originally posted by guy222
Did I really? Everyone knows, I don't go against the mutants. I know quite a bit about Shaman Nate. I know u know Shaman. Fair enough, if we disagree on this one

I know both characters actually, and thus far Shaman's (AF) feats are far above Nate's.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know both characters actually, and thus far Shaman's (AF) feats are far above Nate's.

🙂

I'm enjoying the show. It's pretty rare to see someone challenge Mungi on AF.
tv_happy Even if they are a 2nd-rate team. 😆 jk Mungi.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm enjoying the show. It's pretty rare to see someone challenge Mungi on AF.
tv_happy Even if they are a 2nd-rate team. 😆 jk Mungi.

I'm still waiting for the challenge as he really hasn't provided evidence that would actually work, while he ignores things I state.

AF ownzz you and you know it.

Looks like it's been thoroughly proven that Nate wins.

What it comes down to is shaman xman stopping Shamans brain functions "no speaking after that".

In all honesty, who is a more powerful Telepath? Shaman Xman by far.

Shaman is a great telepath yes, and I am sure he has TP shielding, but Nate is going to go right through that.

Originally posted by Board Walker
What it comes down to is shaman xman stopping Shamans brain functions "no speaking after that".

In all honesty, who is a more powerful Telepath? Shaman Xman by far.

Shaman is a great telepath yes, and I am sure he has TP shielding, but Nate is going to go right through that.

Doubtful as Nate has to pass Shaman's natural tp, plus his shields and Shaman would have to do nothing while all this happens. Not happening, especially when Shaman's reflexes are augmented by magic.

One word, "shush" that's all it takes, or one spell that can instantly put Nate down. Shaman has several spells and attacks that can take him out in a second, while Nate doesn't.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Doubtful as Nate has to pass Shaman's natural tp, plus his shields and Shaman would have to do nothing while all this happens. Not happening, especially when Shaman's reflexes are augmented by magic.

One word, "shush" that's all it takes, or one spell that can instantly put Nate down. Shaman has several spells and attacks that can take him out in a second, while Nate doesn't.

shaman xman operates on thought (i never read much of Xman so some one can help with this) and likely faster then thought.

Shaman as far as I know has never shown to operate on super human thought speed.

All nate has to do is subconsciously feel an aggresive action from Shaman (which is far faster then thought or speech), and its all over.

I do think Nate would bypass Shaman's defenses before shaman could speak, but if shaman does speak I don't know if nate would be able to survive; I suppose he could phase to the astral plane, or hope realities.

P.S. I can't truly geniunely debate for either of these characters, I have not read much of either of them; just not my cup of tea.

Nate for the win 7/10

So how many wins do you give nate then king mungi?
i am sure someone of your reputation would not make a spite thread,how do you see it going

Originally posted by Board Walker
shaman xman operates on thought (i never read much of Xman so some one can help with this) and likely faster then thought.

Shaman as far as I know has never shown to operate on super human thought speed.

All nate has to do is subconsciously feel an aggresive action from Shaman (which is far faster then thought or speech), and its all over.

I do think Nate would bypass Shaman's defenses before shaman could speak, but if shaman does speak I don't know if nate would be able to survive; I suppose he could phase to the astral plane, or hope realities.

P.S. I can't truly geniunely debate for either of these characters, I have not read much of either of them; just not my cup of tea.

He doesn't have augmented reflexes, as he has been beaten by people lower than Shaman. Even Department H Silencers took it to him.

Like you said you don't read much of them, but Shaman has out thought Carcass a being that controlled the entire Realm of the Dead and threatened to destroy all reality through the Unmasking. Who saved all of reality? Shaman.

Not correct, Nate has not shown superior reflexes at all. He does not have a good track record against guys with the likes of Shaman.

Shaman doesn't even need to speak to perform his spells, he thinks and it happens as shown when he and Dr.Strange teamed up to fight his evil twin in Infinity Crusade.

Then why are you making claims when you don't know either about?

Originally posted by starlock
Nate for the win 7/10

So how many wins do you give nate then king mungi?
i am sure someone of your reputation would not make a spite thread,how do you see it going

What? how?

I didn't make this thread id369 [who is known as a huge Nate fan] did and Shaman easily takes the majority

Shaman respect thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424458&perpage=20&pagenumber=1